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PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:51 am 
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great pics of a collection of unrestored cars ( bugattis) on the photo-site. must be the same stable, of which I`ve found more pics sometime ago in a french forum.
anybody knowing details??

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 Post subject: Re: barnfiends
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Here the total album:

http://www.bugattibuilder.com/photo/thumbnails.php?album=2139

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great pics of a collection of unrestored cars ( bugattis) on the photo-site. must be the same stable, of which I`ve found more pics sometime ago in a french forum.
anybody knowing details??

mike

This is the very well known "collection" of a gentleman near Nice.It is underneath his house.I went there some years ago to see a T43 which Mr Hanower bought.


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 Post subject: Re: barnfiends
PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:53 pm 
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Dear Jean:
I visited the garage about 8 years ago. A few things were for sale, but not everything. The GP Bugattis all seemed to have the same chassis number for registration and tax purposes, but upon pointing this out, Mr. G., the owner, pulled up a seat cushion where the REAL chassis plate was affixed! There was a T23 with Lavocat et Marsaud coachwork, chassis 2152, the twin to my late father's chassis 2153...it was not for sale.
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Sandy


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 Post subject: Re: barnfiends
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:09 am 
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Dear Jean:
I visited the garage about 8 years ago. A few things were for sale, but not everything. The GP Bugattis all seemed to have the same chassis number for registration and tax purposes, but upon pointing this out, Mr. G., the owner, pulled up a seat cushion where the REAL chassis plate was affixed! There was a T23 with Lavocat et Marsaud coachwork, chassis 2152, the twin to my late father's chassis 2153...it was not for sale.
Cheers,
Sandy

dear Sandy,I was much more impressed with a nude photo of his [ or one of his ] girlfriend ! I still have the ancient bottle of wine he gave me [1951 ]


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 Post subject: Re: barnfiends
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:00 pm 
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hello

would be great to hear more about the cars from our two visitors. as far as I`m not really a specialist, I think the pictures show:
- three different bugatti racecars ( T35/37)
- two) bugatti T23
- one T4o fiarce coupe ( grey)
- one T44 roadsder
- one chassis ( T43??)
- one T 57
- one T49 cabriolett

the other cars are: four pre-WWI cars ( a large tourer, a coupe chauffeur, a milot
and a renault town car)
- a alfa romeo 175o
- talbot lago race car from about pre WWII ( T15oc??)
- a large renault from the 2o`s ( 4o VC ??)
- a ferrari sports car
anyone other ideas ??
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mike


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 Post subject: Re: barnfiends
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:13 pm 
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hortig78rpm wrote:
hello

would be great to hear more about the cars from our two visitors. as far as I`m not really a specialist, I think the pictures show:
- three different bugatti racecars ( T35/37)
- two) bugatti T23
- one T4o fiarce coupe ( grey)
- one T44 roadsder
- one chassis ( T43??)
- one T 57
- one T49 cabriolett

the other cars are: four pre-WWI cars ( a large tourer, a coupe chauffeur, a milot
and a renault town car)
- a alfa romeo 175o
- talbot lago race car from about pre WWII ( T15oc??)
- a large renault from the 2o`s ( 4o VC ??)
- a ferrari sports car
anyone other ideas ??
regards
mike

one GP was modified with the top half of a T43 motor.The other is I think a T35c or T39.Certainly not an ordinary T35.There is also a lovely 8 valve hidden under a great pile of rubbish.


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 Post subject: Re: barnfiends
PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:58 pm 
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hortig78rpm wrote:
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- talbot lago race car from about pre WWII ( T15oc??)

anyone other ideas ??
regards
mike


For me I think it may be the 1939 Talbot-Lago Monoplace Décalée #90131, but I may be wrong...

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 Post subject: Re: barnfiends
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Dear Mike:

Mr. G was not particularly interested in sharing chassis numbers. I saw the 8 valve that Jean referred to, but it must be totally hidden by now as it was barely visible eight years ago. It was complete with original coachwork. I did not get the impression that the Alfa 1750 was a totally genuine car. A few of his cars were on loan to the nearby museum in Mougins, including a T50 which had lost its original engine to Ray Jones and was now fitted with a T46 engine. There was one T44 or T49 which had been in a front end collision and looked like it had been pulled out of a French scrapyard...and probably was.

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Sandy


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 Post subject: Re: barnfiends
PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:43 am 
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tanks sandy !

I too think the alfa is not a real thing, same as for the talbot racing car. I visited mougin some 25 years ago and I think it has closed some time ago??
remember seeing the T5o and the ex williams T35, also as a fan of veteran & edwardian cars the big 19o4 gladiator racer and the dellauney-belville , which was described by raffaeli in his book.

has mr. G. ever had the idea of restoring the cars, or does he only "like" them like
michel douvaz. on some pics ( the T23 L&M) some restauration work is vissible.

regards from austria
mike


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 Post subject: Re: barnfiends
PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:48 am 
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copperkettle wrote:
Dear Mike:

Mr. G was not particularly interested in sharing chassis numbers. I saw the 8 valve that Jean referred to, but it must be totally hidden by now as it was barely visible eight years ago. It was complete with original coachwork. I did not get the impression that the Alfa 1750 was a totally genuine car. A few of his cars were on loan to the nearby museum in Mougins, including a T50 which had lost its original engine to Ray Jones and was now fitted with a T46 engine. There was one T44 or T49 which had been in a front end collision and looked like it had been pulled out of a French scrapyard...and probably was.

Cheers,

Sandy

Mr G did the T44 damage himself one night after getting almost home from a meeting.There was obviously a splendid liquid lunch involved.he just dragged it into the shed and there it has sat ever since.There is also a quite nice T57 in another celler.Ex boc uk


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 Post subject: Re: barnfiends
PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:13 pm 
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hello

if you go to : www.collectioncars.com, you`ll have the whole article and further pics of the collection of Mr. G.

regards
mike


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