Car 37371

bugfan · **Joined:** Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:19 am **Posts:** 32

Johan Buchner wrote:

......Which reminds me of something Du Gann wrote : Apparently a T38 chassis frame can be turned into a reasonable approximation of a T43 frame by, I think, bending the side frames into a bow shape. Come to think of it, isn't there an ongoing thread about a fabulously beautiful T43, only recently discovered? And I haven't touched Du Gann for the longest time.......
Johan

The rail of the T38 frame is 13cm high (or something like that), the rail of the T43 is about 9 or 11cm high (have to check). So if you don't know much about Bugatti frames of course you can imagine it is possible to make a T43 frame out of a Type 38 frame, but you won't foul a real expert.

Johan Buchner · **Posted:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:14 pm

True, very true. Unfortunately not all buyers seem to be true experts. Nor, so it would seem, are all sellers honourable. Life happens.

Johan

Bugwrench · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:16 pm **Posts:** 338

bugfan wrote:

Johan Buchner wrote:

......Which reminds me of something Du Gann wrote : Apparently a T38 chassis frame can be turned into a reasonable approximation of a T43 frame by, I think, bending the side frames into a bow shape. Come to think of it, isn't there an ongoing thread about a fabulously beautiful T43, only recently discovered? And I haven't touched Du Gann for the longest time.......
Johan

The rail of the T38 frame is 13cm high (or something like that), the rail of the T43 is about 9 or 11cm high (have to check). So if you don't know much about Bugatti frames of course you can imagine it is possible to make a T43 frame out of a Type 38 frame, but you won't foul a real expert.

I agree with Bugfan that contrary to what some ignorant people seem to think it is far more difficult or nearly impossible to reshape a T38 chassis into a T43.
Frame rail height is 120mm for the T38/40/44/49 and 94mm for the T43 with thickness 5 and 6mm respectively.
Bugwrench

J.J.Horst · **Posted:** Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:32 am

How many of the buyers would actually know this difference!

Herman · **Posted:** Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:15 pm

<a href="http://www.bugattibuilder.com/photo/albums/userpics/10003/35B%2C_Engine_with_exhaust_manifolds_fitted_24-06-07__004%7E0.jpg"><img src="http://www.bugattibuilder.com/photo/albums/userpics/10003/normal_35B%2C_Engine_with_exhaust_manifolds_fitted_24-06-07__004%7E0.jpg" alt="Bugatti type 4483"></a>

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Re. recent discussions on 37 engines in type 51 chassis, etc. attached picture shows standard type 35 arrangement (I think).

Many owners put the nut on the outside to save crawling under to check on tightness but it looks a lot better the correct way round.

Car carries chassis plate 4483 and won the 2005 Williams Trophy and now the 2008 Angouleme Bugatti GP race.

Johan Buchner · **Posted:** Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:27 pm

On The BugattiPage, under French Bugattis for sale the following: T38/43, chassis 43240 for sale at 395 000 Euros.

Without further comment.

Johan Buchner

Bugwrench · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:16 pm **Posts:** 338

Quote:

Many owners put the nut on the outside to save crawling under to check on tightness but it looks a lot better the correct way round.

Herman, I do not know who wrote this misinformation but I recommend he does his homework first.
Bugwrench

J.J.Horst · **Posted:** Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:18 pm

"On The BugattiPage, under French Bugattis for sale the following: T38/43, chassis 43240 for sale at 395 000 Euros.

Without further comment.

Johan Buchner"

Would be interesting to check the heigth of the chassis rails of that car.

I can of course go check it out, pretending that I'm an interested buyer (or that I'm sent by one), car is in the Netherlands.

Johan Buchner · **Posted:** Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:49 pm

If this car is in The Netherlands, does it feature in the Dutch Bugatti Register? It will be interesting to find out why the owner believe the correct chassis number is 43240 while the chassis is a shortened T38 item. Just as a matter of interest, how does the asking price of 400 000 compare with that of an original matching-numbers T43?

Thanks
Johan

J.J.Horst · **Posted:** Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:39 pm

Well, the car is also reported as being 90% Argentinian. With a T38 frame and Pur Sang engine, the number 43240 is doubtful. That's why I asked Malcolm Gentry's opinion first, before publishing the advert. It may be that the original parts (axles mainly) come from 43240?

400.000 is not much for a real T43 (remember the ex Pim Hascher, ex Prick T43 witch fetched around 1.3 million!), but it is quite a lot for a PurSang T43, which should not be much more than 150 or 170k.

bugfan · **Joined:** Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:19 am **Posts:** 32

J.J.Horst wrote:

...............With a T38 frame and Pur Sang engine, the number 43240 is doubtful...........

WARNING : The replica Pur Sang T43 chassis have the wrong rail high (120mm). They probably copied a modified T38/T43 chassis and didn't study the original factory drawings (same happened when they produced an hollow front axle, out of a T35A/T37, that never existed).
It is not because it is 120mm high that the subject T43 frame was made out of an original T38 frame, it could simply be a Pur sang replica T43 frame, with a Pur sang engine, then a 100% replica T43.

Hope this will help somebody......................

Herman · **Posted:** Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:51 pm

I cleaned up this thread. Any insult or meaningless typing is not tolerated, and will be deleted.

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