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Gap05 wrote:
Certainly Bugatti would compare the two cars, so the 57G 1937 must have a compressor.


Why must have the 57G a compressor ?. The 57G engine from #57455 have over 180 hp (without compressor) and the 57C engine have minimum 160 hp.


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Uwe wrote:
Gap05 wrote:
Certainly Bugatti would compare the two cars, so the 57G 1937 must have a compressor.


Why must have the 57G a compressor ?. The 57G engine from #57455 have over 180 hp (without compressor) and the 57C engine have minimum 160 hp.

I have 175HP for 57G without compressor and over 200HP for the 57C which have a compressor. A question for the 57G car is the numbers 1 and 2 gives, from the cylindree of the motor, at Le Mans in this period. The number 3 is a 4.5 L Lagonda... So this cars seem to have a compressor at the race ? Sorry for my English.


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The factory enrolled a 57C with a tank body for the 24 hour race of Le Mans in 1939. During practice the car was a accompanied by a 57G tank from the race in 1937. The car can be recognised by its air inlets as the #57455 but it has the number 1 on black oval, and not the former number 2 from 1937. Appropriate to this numbering the car could have been equipped with a 4.5-litre engine but there is no furhter proof of this.

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The 57G Le Mans car is without compressor.


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I have a picture somewhere of a 1937 tank with number 1 on the front, and number 2 on the side. Will look it up tomorrow.

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I think you're referring to a picture of car 57455 apparently at Le Mans but with number 3 on the front off-side and number 2 on the side. The photo was used in an advert for the "type 57S". The car survived and has been in the Simeone Foundation for several years. It carries the wrong chassis plate (57335) attached in 1981 by Uwe Hucke.


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The various pictures above showing the 1937 Le Mans car with number 2 is described as 57335. Although the car now carries this chassis plate the car is in fact definitely 57455. The car is the only 1937 57G tank to have survived in fairly original condition.


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Reference Kees Jansen:

TYPE: 57 G
CHASSIS NO: 57455
ENGINE NO: first unnumbered
Now 272 ex 57367
PRODUCED (NO): June 1936
DELIVERY DATE: -
INVOICE DATE: -
PRICE (chassis): -
AGENT: Toussaint Namur
INVOICED TO: -
REG NO: 6559-W1(F)
COACHWORK: Tank
OWNER: Fred Simeone
ACQUISITION:
FORMER OWNERS: Usine, Jean de Dobbeleer (1960), Gene Cesari (1961), Stephen Pitcairn (1962), Gene Cesari, John Truslow/ Eri Richardson, Uwe Hucke (1973), Nicolas Seydoux
HISTORY: Produced in June 1936 in a batch of three cars as factory racers with unnumbered engines. This was the only one built on a 57 S chassis; the other two had a shortened 57 chassis. Briefly displayed at the 1936 Auto Salon in 1936. Winner of every race it entered such as the Grand Prix de l’ACF at Monthlery 1936, Grand Prix de La Marne 1936, Grand Prix de Pau 1936, 24 hours of Le Mans 1937 with Robert Benoist and Jean Pierre Wimille. Multitude of records for speed and endurance, a number of which have stood for a very long time such as the Sports Car Land speed record until 1966, when it was broken by a Cobra Daytona Coupé. After a crash kept at the factory until Jean de Dobbeleer bought it in 1960 in a batch with 57335 and a spare engine 272 ex 57367 which he put in this engineless car. He restored the car, called it the ‘24 heures’ or ‘Le Mans’ car and sold it with the papers of 57335 to Gene Cesari. The other car got the papers of 57400. The car was known for a long time as (57335)1,2. Buyer Gene Cesari sold it to Pitcairn but he took it back later after which Gene sold it to Truslow/ Richardson. When Eri Richardson owned it, he retrieved many of the original components, which had been left at the factory such as the special head, carburettors and oil coolers. The car went to Europe when Uwe Hucke bought it in 1973. He put the chassis plate 57335 on it, which Lyman Greenlee had found on a junkyard in Dorlisheim. Next owner Nicolas Seydoux. Finally it went back to the USA when Fred Someone bought it3. He showed it at Pebble Beach 2003 and the VSCCA Radnor Hunt Ralley and Concourse. Described in a number of articles


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<a href="http://www.bugattibuilder.com/photo/albums/userpics/10107/57455_no_3.jpg"><img src="http://www.bugattibuilder.com/photo/albums/userpics/10107/normal_57455_no_3.jpg" alt="#57455"></a>

This is the picture that I mentioned. Hunter is right, 3 on the hood, 2 on the side.

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