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PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:28 pm 
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After a communication with a fellow contributor I think I may have stumbled onto a bit of a mystery, on Wiki there is the following for a T35 :

Type 35T / chassis no. 4815 / eng. no.109T / delivered Sept 1926 to Junek in Prague. According to Conway this car does not survive. However, according to Wiki (a most complete history is provided by the way) this car appeared in the Narodi Technicke Museum, Praha from April 23 to October 15 2002.

Adding further confusion, the following :

Type 51A / chassis no. 51151 / eng. no.18 / delivered May 1934 to Vladimer Gut in Prague for someone called Pohl. This car is today in the Schlumpf Collection, fitted with engine no.109T from 4815. There is no Wiki entry for this car.

The chassis numbers, engine numbers, delivery dates and first owner are verified in Conway, but the racing history for 4815 in Wiki is new to me. As is the exhibition in the Praha museum. Can anyone please fill in the blanks?

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reference by John Llewelyn:

This leaves 4815 which Conway states is untraced. This was a 2.3-litre originally delivered to Junek in September 1926 unblown, but having a supercharger added soon after and driven by Eliska in the Targa Florio of 1927, and rebuilt at the factory in September 1927. Was this car re-numbered or was broken up at some time ?.
Image#4815 Targa Florio 1927


reference by Roger Howard:

4815 eng. 109T: a type 35T originally but according to Conway it was converted to 35B early on. Factory date 9/26. Delivery list entries 11/9/26 (Junek/Prague). This seems to be the only car delivered new to Juneks from Molsheim on factory trade plates, we know that they often cars to and from Molsheim, but seemingly not this new car. 26/9/28 (Junek/Prague) and finally 1/9/28 (Mahla/Prague). The June 1928 date does not correspond to either of the overhauls mentioned by Conway, which he gave as 1927. It's also intriguing that the car was delivered back to the Juneks just 2 months before it went to it's new owner, a man also from Prague and perhaps a friend of the Juneks. Today car is untraced , but the engine 109T is in 51151 at Schlumpf. 51151 was originally a Prague delivery and so this might indicate that 4815 was broken up in Czechoslovakia.


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http://www.bugattibuilder.com/wiki/index.php?title=4815

Wiki entry for 4815. So this should be 51151 instead? (with engine 109T of 4815)

Or at least the top picture should be deleted.

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