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Author: | barttore [ Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 49451 - radiator question |
As there have been no positive reactions on the statement that "there are several Bugatti's in Scandinavia with such a radiator", may I conclude that there aren't any, not in present and not in past: as no pictures nor reactions of forum members have turned up ? If there were any they would have been easy to remember - so I expect one of our forum experts would have posted it by now. Or are all Bugatti Experts too busy following the Winter Olympics.... ![]() Until I am proven different my point of view now is that this radiator is absolutely unique and that it is an original, because it has been recognized as such by a Bugatti mechanic. As to it's history why it was made: maybe sometime something will turn up. For now this will stay a blind spot in Bugatti history. As to the further (early) history of this car, I hope something will turn up. Until then we can only guess and make up our own opinion of what is most probable. |
Author: | Lazarus [ Sat Feb 20, 2010 7:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 49451 - radiator question |
[quote="barttore"]As there have been no positive reactions on the statement that "there are several Bugatti's in Scandinavia with such a radiator", may I conclude that there aren't any, not in present and not in past: as no pictures nor reactions of forum members have turned up ? If there were any they would have been easy to remember - so I expect one of our forum experts would have posted it by now. It is so dangerous to be catagoric about what is real and what is not .I suppose most people are unwilling to comment ! I shall stick my neck out here and suggest that it is a replacement and not to Bugatti's drawings. The radiator is such an important part of the front of the car and is the most recognisable feature.RR would never countenance any change to their trademark and I suspect that Ettore was no different.Even when the later type cores were introduced on T44/49 replacing the honeycombe they still retained the same front even though it caused headaches to do so.The top part of the radiator is in any event closed off behind dummy honeycombe so it is difficult to see any advantage to this modification. |
Author: | barttore [ Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 49451 - radiator question |
meanwhile I found another T49 with a similar radiator: 49255 now a Grand Sport but originally a Gangloff limousine in both guises it has clearly this radiator type. the more I find - the more I am convinced of originality. I wrote to the Bugatti Trust regarding this radiator: maybe they know more - but until now no response. |
Author: | barttore [ Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:12 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 49451 - radiator question |
number three (thanks Herman) ![]() T40 chassis 40696 |
Author: | barttore [ Wed May 05, 2010 3:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 49451 - radiator question |
Recieved response from the Bugatti Trust today: Dear Bart (....) The Bugatti factory drawings for radiators (which we have here at the Bugatti Trust) were prepared in order to give enough information to the radiator manufacturers. None of the drawings shows the blank plate covering the header tank as shown in your picture. Some of the drawings such as 33 CH 2, which is the radiator for Types 38 and 43, clearly show a false honeycomb in front of the header tank. It is drawn and noted "Faux Nid d'Arbeilles - aussi court que possible". The drawing for the Type 49 (49 CH 1) is less explicit. It does not show any honeycomb – the area within the normal edge band is simply left blank. Perhaps one of the radiator manufacturers chose to misunderstand this drawing and produced a batch of radiators with the blank front plate to the header tank. I would like to write this up for our next Trust newsletter in the hope that someone might know more. Best regards Richard Day Curator The Bugatti Trust, Prescott Hill, Gotherington, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, GL52 9RD, UK Tel. +44 (0)1242 677201: Fax +44 (0)1242 674191 info@bugatti-trust.co.uk www.bugatti-trust.co.uk |
Author: | davids [ Sun May 09, 2010 4:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 49451 - radiator question |
In the general discussion area, there is a post of new fotos. one of which shows a t57 with similar infilled top area of the radiator. |
Author: | barttore [ Mon May 10, 2010 11:44 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 49451 - radiator question |
You are right, but this is a "common" thing for T57's with a radiator with thermostatic operated louvres: There are many more T57's like that. When you look in the T57 Photo section you will find more alike the one you noticed: they all have the plate in the top area of the radiator profiled to look like the vertical louvres below (when in closed-position). But there are also normal radiators on T57 with a regular honeycombe structure The difference is that on the T49's and the T40 now identified in this forum topic this top area of the radiator is a flat piece of metal - which is unusual because normally there is a honeycombe structure instead. |
Author: | barttore [ Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:17 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 49451 - radiator question |
Found another one; apparently it is probably 40221 ![]() source: http://cgi.ebay.nl/12-Bugatti-Photograp ... erature_ET see also http://www.bugattiregister.com/wiki/ind ... itle=40221 |
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