I think a slightly better answer may be that of the 691 GP cars made at least 2000 survive today
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| Author: | outofpocket [ Mon May 17, 2010 1:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | How many built |
How many GP cars were built in total? How many of each (T-35 B, T-35, etc)? How many of the orginal T-35B's still exist? I believe 45 were originally made. |
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| Author: | Greg Morgan [ Mon May 17, 2010 2:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How many built |
I believe approximately 2000 Type 35b's still exist |
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| Author: | Johan Buchner [ Mon May 17, 2010 4:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How many built |
Conway's factory register data on the T35: T35 : 96 T35C : 46 T35T : 13 T35B : 37 Plus 138 T35A gives a total of 330. To get the total number of GP cars built go to the Register and add the production totals for the following Types to the 330 T35s : T32, T36, T37, T39, T51, T54 & T59. And perhaps the T13 - it's a racer but is it a GP racer? Kindly note : Greg Morgan's total of 2000 surviving GP cars is approximate and 1 or 2 of them might not be totally geniune. Kind Regards Johan Buchner |
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| Author: | 37quest [ Mon May 17, 2010 5:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How many built |
I think a slightly better answer may be that of the 691 GP cars made at least 2000 survive today
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| Author: | Johan Buchner [ Mon May 17, 2010 6:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How many built |
Genius reply. Respect. Johan |
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| Author: | J.J.Horst [ Mon May 17, 2010 8:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How many built |
Just a bit more serious: I thought that 2001 was the total number of surviving Bugattis. (It was 2000, plus the recently re-surfaced Royale) |
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| Author: | hortig78rpm [ Tue May 18, 2010 5:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How many built |
quite right you are. just the same as for the mercedes ssk. out of ca. 33 cars originally built, there are some 13o now round the world. I think there are slightly more than two or three genuine cars around, what for shure will lead to the discussion: when is a car genuine?? regards from austria mike ps. in two weeks there will be the international bugatti ralley here in austria in wonderfull settings of salzburg and tyrol ( trip on the famous "großklockner hochalpenstrasse) |
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| Author: | 37quest [ Tue May 18, 2010 10:51 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How many built |
Johan Buchner wrote: Genius reply. Respect. Johan Though sadly not my Genius, its a famous quote from Brian Lister talking about his 50's sports cars. |
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| Author: | Johan Buchner [ Tue May 18, 2010 11:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How many built |
Genius quote. 
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| Author: | T40 [ Tue May 18, 2010 11:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How many built |
The "of x built some y survive" device was also used by Peter Hull/Nigel Arnold-Forster in their Vintage Car Casebook in 1976. Whether they minted it I don't know, but it has been used in regard to many marques for many years. |
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| Author: | hortig78rpm [ Wed May 19, 2010 8:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How many built |
remember, when the conway/crailsheimer book was issued in the early 8o`s, the survival rate was around 15oo incl. many fakes or bitsas. so during some 3o years 5oo more bugatti`s turned up??? mike |
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| Author: | Johan Buchner [ Wed May 19, 2010 10:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How many built |
Hi Mike. When I started getting interested in Bugattis it was a commonly held belief that of the 8000 Bugattis produced roughly 1500 survive. (I got this figure from Classic and Sports Car, only later did I realise they got it from Conway.) The time-honoured tradition of turning T35A/T37 into T35Bs obviously has no effect on the number of surviving cars, so where do the extra 500 come from? I can believe some were genuine discoveries, I can also believe the figure of 1500 to be conservative, but what gives me the kind of headache you get when ice-cream is eaten too quickly is the thought of 500 newly minted Bugattis slipping onto the scene unnoticed. There is nothing wrong with replicas, nothing wrong with building a Bugatti from scratch either, but to claim a Molsheim identity for them is demeaning to the cars and an insult to our intelligence. Also illegal I believe. Kind Regards Johan Buchner |
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| Author: | Gap05 [ Wed May 19, 2010 10:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How many built |
I have recent pics of 1400 identified Bugatti... And more that 200 not identified car's recent pics... I am a little amateur and I am far to be exhaustif... I am surprised by the little number of survived cars given by "Big" authors.... Why ? Value most important ? Fakes (I have retired the replicas given by Wiki) ? Sorry for my English ! |
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| Author: | Greg Morgan [ Wed May 19, 2010 11:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How many built |
Guys can I just say that when I made the earlier remark of 2000 cars, it was just a rather clumsy attempt at irony. suddenly people in this thread seem to have taken that figure and run with it! |
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| Author: | T40 [ Wed May 19, 2010 12:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: How many built |
Greg Morgan wrote: Guys can I just say that when I made the earlier remark of 2000 cars, it was just a rather clumsy attempt at irony. suddenly people in this thread seem to have taken that figure and run with it! Is it just a little bit possible that some people take the whole thing just a little bit too seriously? They're just old cars, you know. |
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