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Lazarus
 Post subject: Re: Pugatti PL
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:40 pm 
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Maciej_Peda wrote:
Here are pictures of this stick.
Stick was belong to mister Jan Ripper, best Polish Bugatti driver. And rumors (only rumours) says, that this was a gift to him from Ettore

Regards
Maciek

Very nice,but I prefer mine.Mine has silver knob and has JB on.


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Lazarus
 Post subject: Re: Pugatti PL
PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:41 pm 
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Lazarus wrote:
Maciej_Peda wrote:
Here are pictures of this stick.
Stick was belong to mister Jan Ripper, best Polish Bugatti driver. And rumors (only rumours) says, that this was a gift to him from Ettore

Regards
Maciek

Very nice,but I prefer mine.Mine has silver knob and has JB on.

Oh ! you all thought that I was joking.lol
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Udolahr
 Post subject: Re: Pugatti PL
PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 1:56 pm 
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they both are very nice . And for sure we did believe that you have one . How many do you have ? :wink:



with Maciek help we found that this is a real Bugatti . Can we get this thread out of Replicas ?
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Michael Müller
 Post subject: Re: Pugatti PL
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:54 am 
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The Holuj car was uni-colored, that of von Koznian indeed red-white.
The entry form of Maria von Koznian for the 1934 Klausenrennen says "1929" as year built, which would fit for 37370, whereas 37281 is from 1927.


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anjakub
 Post subject: Re: Pugatti PL
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:50 am 
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Maciej_Peda wrote:
This is a real Bugatti, 37 370, one of ex Polish cars, first owner was Stanislaw Holuj or Maria Kozmianowa (is not sure in 100 %).

Neither Holuj nor Kozmianowa were not the first owners any Bugatti.
They bought second-hand cars.
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Uwe
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Michael Müller
 Post subject: Re: Pugatti PL
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:35 pm 
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As the photo is from Semmering 1933, how can the r/n of Berne 1934 be on the car??

The actual photo at the beginning of this thread clearly shows that the "PL" had been painted originally on the red rear, and the blue color later had been applied around the "PL". So for me there is no doubt that this is the von Kozmian car. Holuj a.f.a.i.k. never raced abroad, so he had no reason to use national color scheme. As said already, his car was unicolored, see photo below.

By the way, anybody relying to the photo captions of the Bugatti Trust should tell them that they need to do their homework! They have so much wrong captions that it is really a shame...


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Maciej_Peda
 Post subject: Re: Pugatti PL
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:08 pm 
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I have several more pictures with Kozmianowa Bugatti from 1933 Semmering (nr 135) and 1934 Klausenrennen (nr 14), see below (description in filenames)
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Maciek Peda


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Maciej_Peda
 Post subject: Re: Pugatti PL
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:09 pm 
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And here two pictures from Lwow (Lemberg) GP from 1933
Regards
Maciek Peda


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Michael Müller
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:05 pm 
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Thanks Maciek, the one from the pits at Lwow I didn't knew.
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Maciej_Peda
 Post subject: Re: Pugatti PL
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Michael Müller wrote:
Thanks Maciek, the one from the pits at Lwow I didn't knew.

You welcome ! I share yours opinion, that this damaged tail must be from Kozmianowa car.
Below more pictures with Holuj car - clearly visible one color overall.
Regards
Maciek Peda, Poland


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Michael Müller
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Thanks! :D
I have a note that Holuj bought the car from Count Alfred Mycielski.
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Maciej_Peda
 Post subject: Re: Pugatti PL
PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:20 pm 
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Below is picture with another Count Mycielski behind Bugatti wheel - with forename Franciszek pictured in Lwow, 1930. Maybe this is future Holuj's car ?
Mycielski was a popular name in Polish aristocrat.
Regards
Maciek Peda, Poland


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anjakub
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:34 pm 
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At the beginning of 1931 Holuj bought the Bugatti T37A from Count Franciszek Mycielski for about 2000 US Dollars.
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bugatti69
 Post subject: Re: Pugatti PL
PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:20 am 
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See Bugatti Trust #128B, 132B, 134B on :
http://www.bugatti-trust.co.uk/photogra ... ?g2_page=6
Holuj with 37370

- IV° Grand Prix Lwowa (PL), 1500cc, 11th June 1933 :
#34 Marie-Luise von Kozmian 6th type 37A (unknown)
#42 Stanislaw Holuj type 37 A (37370)

Marie-Luise von Kozmian > not 37370
34 et 42 are different cars

http://www.bugattiregister.com/wiki/ind ... itle=37370
http://www.bugattiregister.com/wiki/ind ... itle=37281
http://www.bugattiregister.com/wiki/ind ... wn-Kozmian
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