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| Author: | Udolahr [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Oldest Bugatti |
where is the oldest Bugatti car ? Is the car still driveable ? |
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| Author: | Lazarus [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oldest Bugatti |
Udolahr wrote: where is the oldest Bugatti car ? Is the car still driveable ? The Bugatti prototype is still in perfect running condition in america. |
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| Author: | Udolahr [ Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oldest Bugatti |
is there a Bugatti prototype ? |
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| Author: | hortig78rpm [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oldest Bugatti |
and the oldest production bugatti is # 365 which lies in the technic museum in Prag. I think It was only cosmetically restored and is a non runner. the former CZ still has two more pre 1914 cars, #432 and # 7oo and two engines from that periode. another CZ car, # 484 had gone to the Schlumpf Museum in the early 6o`s. his then owner, Mr. Podubecky discovered it as a farm -cart and restored it with a cut down T3o radiator and motorcycle rims, for people in the CZ did`nt have money for a good restauration. He changed the car for a new Fiat Limousine with Schlumpf, but soon afterwards died in it in a crash...... regards mike |
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| Author: | Herman [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oldest Bugatti |
Moral of the story: Do not mess with Bugatti restaurations. (oh boy, Johan would have loved this...) For Udo: Check the photo database, you find some pictures there. How many pre-Bugatti Bugattis do still exist? (the type 0 to 9) |
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| Author: | hortig78rpm [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oldest Bugatti |
as far as I know, there is only one early trike ( prinetti & strucci, origins not really clear) and one Hermes ( Schlumpf) in existance. Numbers of the other pre 1914 Bugattis are: Type 13: 16 Type 15: 5 Type 17: 3 Type 22: 1 Type 23: 1 pre 1914 engines: uncertain, but two in the CZ, one in the USA and one in France as far as I know. regards mike |
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| Author: | Herman [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oldest Bugatti |
Why is it that non of the Deutzes, Hermes and others survived? What were their production numbers? |
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| Author: | hortig78rpm [ Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oldest Bugatti |
you must read carefully. one Hermes did survive in the Schlumpf Museum. the production of the Hermes cars was around 30, 15 found a customer, production of the Deutz cars: around 37.( see steinhauser) regards mike |
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| Author: | Udolahr [ Fri Mar 29, 2013 6:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oldest Bugatti |
" Never swap a Bugatti for a Fiat " So the Hermes in the Schlumpf museum is the oldest one . Is it a Bugatti ? 365 in Prag , what year is the car ? And is it a Type 19 ? |
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| Author: | Herman [ Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oldest Bugatti |
Does this help? http://www.bugattiregister.com/wiki/index.php?title=365 |
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| Author: | Udolahr [ Sat Mar 30, 2013 5:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oldest Bugatti |
Info from Graham Little , the oldest surviving Bugatti is the type 10 "Petit Pur Sang" which was built around 1908-9 in Cologne but never given a chassis number whereas the oldest "original" Bugatti is a type 15 with chassis number 365. now it is getting more difficult . What is a real Bugatti ? Are the cars made in Cologne real Bugattis ? Are the Mathis cars Bugattis ? |
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| Author: | hortig78rpm [ Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Oldest Bugatti |
if you take the oldest production Bugatti ( built in Serie) this will be # 365 in prag if you take the oldest vehicle,constructed by Bugatti, it will be the trike or the Hermes in the Schlumpf Museum, for there are certain "voices" that say, the trike was built up from various parts, mike |
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