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 Post subject: gear oil help
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:00 am 
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What type and weight of oil do you use in your gearbox and rear axle?
It seem everyone has a different recommendation. Here is what I've heard
a EP GL5 oil is fine.
use 140 wt rear
use 90 wt rear
90 wt gearbox
Must use a GL-1.
Use of modern GL-5 is OK
Don't ues Gl-5 as it has additives that will destroy soft metals.
Use GL-4 made for classic cars.
Use a hypoid oil as it has lubricating additives
Use a synthetic
There are so many choices one doesn't know which is OK to use.


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 Post subject: Re: gear oil help
PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 12:55 pm 
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90 is ok , better EP 90 . Is good for all .


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 Post subject: Re: gear oil help
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:55 pm 
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Then there is no worry about the additives in the EP oils damaging the soft metals?


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 Post subject: Re: gear oil help
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:26 pm 
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This is a joke ! What kind of soft metal can get damage from what ? And where is some soft metal ? What is a soft metal - babbitt ? How can you belive this nonsens .


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 Post subject: Re: gear oil help
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 4:45 pm 
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Dunno of this is a joke. What I heard is that bronze parts in the dif can be affected by modern doped lubricants. Sulphur is the cause I believe . I was warned not to use modern oil in the dif of my 1960 Healey.

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 Post subject: Re: gear oil help
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 5:28 pm 
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Sorry , this is nonsense . The last 30 years I build up 6 cylinder Healeys for racing , and all got the same oil .


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 Post subject: Re: gear oil help
PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:56 pm 
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This is where is says that some oils are not / some oils are suitable for bronze and brass components in gearbozes and difs:
http://www.millersoils.co.uk/automotive/classic-gearbox-oil.asp

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 Post subject: Re: gear oil help
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:30 am 
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I like it ,
" Classic car engine and gearbox oil "

What is the difference in materials from old engines to new ( later ) engines ?
Name me a material what is in new engines and does not exist in old engines ?
Name me a material what is in old engines and does not exist in new engines ?
Modern oil is much better compared to pre war oil . Why do I need to buy " Classic oil " for an old engine , if a modern oil is better ? What is different in an old engine compared to a modern engine . All parts have less stress in an old engine compare to a modern engine .
It is only Marketing .


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 Post subject: Re: gear oil help
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:53 am 
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Udolahr wrote:
It is only Marketing .


Could be - it does not sound logical to me too.

a short search on the "why" found this:
http://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/28958/ep-additives-effects

Wikipedia also has info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_pressure_additive

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 Post subject: Re: gear oil help
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:04 pm 
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So, are there ANY soft or yellow metals (bronze, brass, copper) in either the gearbox or rear axle of a Bugatti?


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 Post subject: Re: gear oil help
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:11 pm 
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There is a lot of nonsense in the internet . One example is , Bugatti Type 5 Wikipedia - just nonsense .
No bronze in the gearbox .


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 Post subject: Re: gear oil help
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:53 pm 
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Good evening.
Whilst I bow to all the experts, my Brescia gearbox has a bronze sleeve for the output shaft bearings and bronze housings for the gear change rods.
I used straight 50 oil with no problems over many years. Virtually the same box is in the GP cars (transmitting about 4 times the horsepower when running on methanol) and we used Castrol GP50, but had to change some gearwheels after two or three seasons' VSCC racing.
Trust this is of interest.
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 Post subject: Re: gear oil help
PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:02 pm 
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The manufactures don't even agree on this. One tech rep told me that he thought that a GL 1 oil (no additives) should be used even though they offer a GL 4 oil which claims to be safe on the soft or yellow metals (there is bronze in both the rear axle and gearbox).
Go figure.


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