Hello,
living here in Chile, I was wondering, is there any Information about this Car. The only known chilenean Bugatti driver was Juan Zanelli.

Regards
Jörg

There is a book about Juan Zanelli, Coche a la Vista, escritor Rodrigo Velasco. I should receive it soon.

More info: http://diecastchl.mforo.com/diecastchl-about387.html

I have Velasco's e-mail, if you're interested.

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ZANELLI, Juan. A Chilean driver based in Paris. He purchased a Lyons GP car (4326) from Pierre de Vizcaya in Nice on 13/09/28. In 1929 he purchased a 35B (4950) which he drove at the GP de la Marne on 7th July 1929 into second place despite losing his spare wheel which fell off and injured a spectator as he passed the main stand. It may have been used by Zanelli to win the 1929 Bugatti Grand Prix but it was later driven by Chiron as a type 35C at Monaco in 1930 and ended up in the hands of Jack Lemon Burton. (See B.33/4/66). A week after the GP de la Marne Zanelli registered a type 35B (4939) which he had been given for winning the Bugatti Grand Prix and he also won the 1930 Bugatti Grand Prix, this time acquiring a type 43. Post-war the 35B was owned by the brewing magnate E.G.Greenall who wrecked its engine and replaced it with a Ford V8. Subsequently the damaged engine was re-installed by Geoffrey St. John. The car (HED 21) was acquired by Terry Cardy in 1984. In 1930 Zanelli also won the Gometz-Le Chatel hill-climb near Paris in a Bugatti but subsequently relied on Alfa Romeos and Maseratis. below from a friend's data-base.

37166
In 2004 it was listed in “Grand Prix Bugatti” with no known current owner.

No. #4950 was a works car for Monaco 1930 driven there by Williams (7624-NV). After that - in August 1930 - the car was sold to Zanelli.
The Chiron winning Monaco car was #4949 (7626-NV) which after the race was sold to Prince Lobkowicz. Interesting how some people are trying to increase the value of their car...

[quote="Legaleagle"]Entry

It may have been used by Zanelli to win the 1929 Bugatti Grand Prix but it was later driven by Chiron as a type 35C at Monaco in 1930.

Zanelli had a problem with his car and he purchased 4920 of Philippe de Rothschild just before the start of the Bugatti Grand prix 1929. He won the race. After the race the car was apparently sold back to Philippe as it was used by him the 29/07/29 at Nürburgring where he came second.
Regard, Bugwrench

I am confused - herewith some facts from Conway's Grand Prix Bugatti :

1) 4326 No engine number ; a 35 Lyon delivered to de Vizcaya which has not survived. Where is the proof that it was delivered to Zanelli?

2) 4939 engine 194T ; delivered to Zanelli - date unknown ; a 35TC raced at 1929 French GP and today only the engine survives in 4817 ; a T35T now in the USA where it was previously erroneously numbered as 4939

3) 4949 engine 188 ; delivered to Prince Lobcowics in Prague in April 1930 ; a T35C which raced at Monaco 1930 and today is in Germany.

4) 4950 engine 210T ; delivered to Zanelli in Aug 1930 ; a T35TC which raced at Monaco 1930 and today is in the USA

I need to know the following please :

Is the above information correct?
Which car is registered HED 21 and owned by Terry Cardy?
Why is Michael Muller's information so much more believable than Legaleagle's?
Who is Legaleagle's mysterious friend, and why is his data-base so fact filled about the cars' early histories, but so vague about current chassis and engine numbers?
Whose interest's do Legaleagle serve?
Anyone besides Legaleagle want to have a go at clearing up my confusion, please?

Thanking you in advance
Johan Buchner (My real name, by the way)
Port Elizabeth (The city where I live)
South Africa (The country; ditto)

CARDY, Terry. A Bury St. Edmunds, Suffolk, haulage contractor who has owned several GPs from 37 to 51; many finished in dark blue. The restoration work on his earlier cars was expertly carried out by Robin Townsend but John Bacon has subseqently done a lot of work for Cardy. He owned a type 46 in the seventies and was listed in the 1973-4 Register as the owner of car 37112 fitted with the crankcases from engine 266 from car 40445. In 1982 he acquired the 1927 type 37A (37299 with engine no. 190CP) from Roger Howard and not long afterwards he acquired the dark-blue ex-Zanelli type 35B (4950) with reg. no. HED 21. He also owned, in the eighties, a type 35A tastefully restored on wire wheels and beaded edge tyres. (His Bugatti handicap win with his type 37 at Prescott in April 1983 proved the value of beaded-edge tyres). In the eighties he also owned a roadster-bodied type 43A (43278 with reg. no.CLG 707, photo : B.45/2/2). By 2003 his collection had settled to three type 51 – 51130 / 51140 / 51146 (finished in light blue, dark blue and dark maroon and yellow respectively. He has competed at Prescott more than twenty times achieving best times of 44.77 and 54.58 in his type 35B. (After a thirteen year lay-off he returned to Prescott in 2005 with his dark-blue car (51140 ex-Richard Shuttleworth with UK reg. no. OMP 7) finishing second in class).

GREENALL, The Hon.Edward G. (Lord Daresbury).The brewing (Greenall Whitley) and property magnate who, post-war, owned the ex-Zanelli type 35B (4950) which he fitted with a Ford V8 after its original engine blew up. He competed with the car at ten meetings at Prescott in 1951 and 1952 recording a best run with the Bugatti engine of 49.63 seconds. With the 3622cc Ford engine fitted his best time was 52.36 seconds. The car was offered for sale in the fifties and was viewed by Brian Fidler. He later recalled that the car was the most horrible appariton he had ever had the misfortune to see. Referring to Greenall he stated “Someone ought to stick to brewing beer”. The car, which had been raced pre-war by one Mr. Walker of Warrington went from Greenall to Alan Crisp in Brighton, and then Jack Perkins who fitted hydraulic brakes, and Dudley Gahagan. It was offered for sale for around a year at the Halfway Garage at Padworh before it was acquired by Geoffrey St.John who fitted a Bugatti engine built-up from spares. St John kept the car for around 10 years befored selling it to I.D.H. Preston who kept if for twelve years before selling the car to Terry Cardy. UK registration no. HED 21. Greenall was based in the Warrington area. He died in 1996 aged 67.

4920
A type 35C with order no. 318 and engine no. 166. It was invoiced to agent Guy Bouriat in March 1929 and in the same month it was registered as 2677 RB 6 in the name of Baron Philippe de Rothschild. On 14th April, 1929 he competed in the Monaco Grand Prix, finishing fourth. On 2nd June, 1929 he sold the car to Juan Zanelli who, on the day of purchase, drove it to victory in rhe 2nd Bugatti Grand Prix at Le Mans. In February, 1930, it passed to Marcel Rousselet in Villeurbanne and was given the Rhône reg. no. 7466 PF 1. On 10th August, 1930, the car was entrusted to Edouard Grammont ; a promising motorcycle racer who raced as “Eddoura” . In an accident on the Eybens straight involving another Bugatti driven by Savora, Grammont crashed into a boundary wall of the property of M. Delamarch and Savora’s car ended up on a railway line. The car is pictured at Monaco carrying competition no. 4 in “Memoirs of a Bugatti Hunter” p.185. In the 1983 edition of “Grand Prix Bugatti” there is no mention of the car but in 2004 it was listed in Holland. The car is pictured on the internet at Monaco (?) carrying competition no. 14, painted blue with the French (?) registration 397 AM 69 painted on the tail.

Rothschild had 3 racing Bugattis, all T35C 2 litres, and all bought through Guy Bouriat who was Bugatti agent at Paris.

#4920 (registration 2677-RB6) and #4921 (registration 2678-RB6)were delivered in March 1929, the first went to Zanelli the day before the Bugatti GP, the other he used at the Nürburgring (July 14, not July 29). #4921 then was sporadically used by Mme. Hellé-Nice (besides her own cars).
#4930 was delivered in May 1929 and raced by Rothschild together with Guy Bouriat at the Spanish Grand Prix. After the race it was sold to Henrique Lehrfeld of Lisboa/Portugal.

I sincerely doubt that this car has been rebuilt....!

Registration 2301-M14 dated 13 Sep 1928. Believe the files are still available.



Zanelli won the car as winner of the 1929 Bugatti Grand Prix. The car raced in the GP de l'ACF (NOT French GP please!) by Albert Divo 4 weeks later had the same Alsace registration (3781-NV), but that must not mean it was the same car. But I also cannot exclude that Bugatti handed over #4939 only after that to Zanelli.



Works car at Monaco for Louis Chiron, thereafter sold to Jiří Kristián Prince Lobkowicz, Praha.



Works car T35C at Monaco for Williams-Grover, converted at Molsheim to T35B, and sold to Zanelli in August 1930.



See above




#4950

Johan, be patient. My remark about car value has nothing to do with "Legaleagle" or his friend. Some information is spreaded by owners or dealers, and finds it way to personal archives without verification. So please don't blame anybody of our community here. Next time I may be the one posting "value adding data" because I believe they are true, and you will shout "Hang 'em high"!

1. I have no financial interest in the subjects about which I have written.

2. The facts and information I have presented have been offered in good faith and if there are any errors they have not been generated by me.

3. Mr. Buchner should show the Bugatti Trust far more respect. The quality of its publications is, in my opinion, far higher than his.

There is a picture of Philippe in #4920 with registration 2677-RB6 at the 07/29 Nürburgring race so you might have to correct your records.

Also #4930 was not sold to Lehrfeld after the 1929 San Sebastian GP but in 04/30. Lehrfeld kept the car only for one month and sold it to Marques in 05/30 and purchased #4952 in Paris 07/30.

You suggest that Helle-Nice owned multiple cars which certainly is not true.

And you forgot to mention that Zanelli also bought #4921 of Philippe and had Foresti race it under the Chilean flag in the San Sebastian GP 1929.
Regards, Bugwrench