This is not a Bugatti.

Herman · **Posted:** Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:12 am

Tell me what you think...

Here is some more info on the car:

http://www.bugattibuilder.com/wiki/inde ... tle=BC_128

(click this one to get it readable)

J.J.Horst · **Posted:** Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:29 pm

This is a well known build, using some original parts.

It is at least not a replica pretending to be an original!

Also, the only LHD Bugatti that I know of!

Some info:

It's a complete Replica with Bugatti Chassis number BC128, engine T57, nr 453 ex sn#57608. Bob Shaw started the curiosity, building a car as Jean Bugatti might have done originally and utilizing T59 Gran Prix racing wheels and a LHD seating position. It was designed by Dave Holls in the 80's and built by Palmer Coachworks. Finished by Ron Kellogg. A compressor was later added.

Scuderia CC · **Posted:** Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:16 pm

Thanks Jaap for this additional information. I didn't have much information on this construction. The lack is filled.

Johan Buchner · **Posted:** Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:41 pm

As to whether this a Bugatti or not; who cares? It's beautiful, and by being left-hand drive it's not about to be confused with some long-lost car is it now? If memory serves correctly, this car was entered in a hot-rod show in the USA, and it was celebrated as a "new" build - rather refreshing really. Don't you think that the two-tone paint really compliments the car's lines very well?

Just one thing, it needs a T57S radiator. Oh yes it does, please do not argue with me. Message to the designers, builders and owner : Gentlemen, you are bounders! Perhaps even cads. Harrumph, I say.

Johan

PS. To link in with the previous thread, does anyone have a complete inventory of the Arletta Schlumf collection? The reason I'm asking is that the b&w photo of the Bugatti truck, part of the original Shakespeare collection, now forms part of the Sclumf Collection's permanent display. Or was there perhaps more than one Sahara Expedition Bugatti?

J.J.Horst · **Posted:** Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:06 pm

I do not agree with you, Herman. The roadster is much stronger with this radiator, than it would be with the T57S radiator.

I agree with you on the rest of your comments, such a "Hot Rod" deserves more praise than yet another T35B or T43GS replica.

The T40 "Truck" is not to be confused with one of the (3 or 4) T40's from Lietenant Loiseau's Sahara expedition. It is an entirely different make, on the basis of a roadster or saloon. By the way, both this picture as well as the other with the big barn with all the cars, were taken from my site (I received them from Mike Westwood).

Herman · **Posted:** Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:01 pm

Herman? Johan!

hortig78rpm · **Joined:** Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:12 pm **Posts:** 247

the pictured T40 truck is indeed in the "reserve collection" of arlette, another picture, made in schlumpf hands is published in the T4o book of price.

mike

Scuderia CC · **Posted:** Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:44 pm

See here : http://www.motorsportscenter.com/article_688.shtml

Herman · **Posted:** Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:49 pm

Great article. Lots of nice photos.

One thing I do not understand, still:

The BOC awarded this creation, which is very clearly a new creation, with a new chassis, etc the chassisnumber BC 128, with production date 1937.

How is this possible?

Here in the Netherlands, cars with a chassisnumber issued more than 25 years ago, are freed from paying road tax. How can a hobby club (no offense) decide on that? I am not legally trained, but I can imagine that doing this is a crime in the Netherlands...

Bugwrench · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:16 pm **Posts:** 338

Herman wrote:

Great article. Lots of nice photos.

One thing I do not understand, still:

The BOC awarded this creation, which is very clearly a new creation, with a new chassis, etc the chassisnumber BC 128, with production date 1937.

How is this possible?

Here in the Netherlands, cars with a chassisnumber issued more than 25 years ago, are freed from paying road tax. How can a hobby club (no offense) decide on that? I am not legally trained, but I can imagine that doing this is a crime in the Netherlands...

Herman, I can not agree more with you on this point.
I have however been told that the BOC had to change procedures recently. So it seems that for cars within the UK it is no longer possible to just fit a Bugatti badge on the radiator of any misconception and apply for a BC number. For cars not applying for UK registration this apparently still is possible as I recently noticed.
Bugwrench

Whitney Paine · **Joined:** Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:24 pm **Posts:** 154

Forgetting the Bugatti marque for a moment, it is a fact that despite harmonisation of EU rules, some countries are less rigorous in applying the rules than others.

Once a vehicle has EU docs, re-registering it in another EU country is a doddle (English term meaning easy).

Herman · **Posted:** Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:11 am

OK, so the next thing is possible:

I stick a Bugatti badge on my Ford Mondeo, file away the chassis number, and eat the papers, so the car has no identification.

I will paint it two-tone, or even more funny, paint the sillouette of a type 59 on the side, such that it looks like I am driving one.

The BOC has a good laugh, and awards me a chassis number. I go back to Holland, and register the car as a Bugatti "type Mondeo", year 1939.

This saves me from paying approx 1400 euro per year...

Insane.

This is not a Bugatti.

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