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(1) T51A (51134) Burggaller




(2) #2 Course de l'Avus 1934




(3) #2 Course de l'Avus 1934




(4) T35B #4853 > T51A (51134) ????

A conundrum indeed, the information provided by Conway is quite different. From Magnum the following :

Chassis no. : 51134, engine no. : 2/1500, delivery date : 05/1932, customer : Willy Escher, Vevey, 1989 : Mulhouse
(T39C converted to T51A)

From the 2004 edition of Grand Prix Bugatti, the following :

Chassis no. : 51134, engine no. : 2 (1500), model : 51A, Delivered to : Willy Escher, Vevey, Remarks : T39C converted.
In this edition 51134 is not listed as a survivor.

Herewith a list of all T39 Compressors : 4824/13 ; 4894/7 ; 4895/150 ; 4896/4 ; 4897/6 (the last 4 are all 1927 works cars) ; 4898/5 has following : Blank (was 39 Compr.) taken from Grand Prix , 2004.
In Magnum, 4824 is not identified as a T39C, while 4898/5 is then followed by several question marks. Neither of these two books identify any T39C as being converted to T51A.

I have found the following photos of Schlumpf cars on SUPERCARS.NET, the first 2 are listed as T51A's, the final as T51.







Over to the rest of you.

Johan

Extract from notes provided by Graham Little :

BURGGALLER, Ernst-Günther. An amateur driver from Berlin, German whose first recorded victory was a win in the 1500cc class in the 1929 German Grand Prix for sports cars in a type 37A He also drove a type 37A in the 1930 Monaco Grand Prix and a type 35B of the Bugatti Team Germany in circuit races in the early thirites. His cars were usually painted white. In 1932 he was the first person to race a type 51A ; in the German Grand Prix . By 1933 this car had acquired a single-seater body. On 15th July 1934 he drove a factory 4.4 litre Auto-Union in the German Grand Prix substituting for an ill zu Leiningen but failed to finish due to a broken gearbox. His last recorded drive in a Bugatti was at the Stelvio hillclimb on the 26th August, 1934. (During the same year he was also using works Austin Sevens in hill-climb events). By 1935 his streamlined type 51A re-appeared in the hands of another German, Rudolf Steinweg who was to die in the car in October of that year. He became a Luftwaffe Major in WW2 and died in action in August 1940. (Photo : Avus, 1933, “Bugantics” 38/1/35). See “Bugatti Legends” page 27.

You know what would be really helpful? If the custodians of the Schlumpf brothers' legacy get off their lazy over-paid back-sides and start researching the histories of the Bugattis in their care, or, to put it another way, start doing their bloody jobs. At least one of the T51's has a monoposto body, but they have yet to respond to a single e-mail I've sent them, so the exact history of this car remains shrouded in mystery. Most infuriating.

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LISTE DES PARTICIPANTS AU GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 1930

N° 6 Burggaller > T37A (37350)

LISTE DES PARTICIPANTS AU GRAND PRIX DE MONACO 1931

N° 2 Burggaller > T35B (4853) IA 5555 ex Emil Bremme

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T37A (37350)

- Klausenrennen 1929 Kategorie SportwagenE. G. Burggaller(D)
- III Großer Preis von Deutschland, Nürburgring 15 July 1928, DNF
- #4 IV Großer Preis von Deutschland, Nürburgring 14 July 1929, DNF
- #6 Grand Prix de Monaco 6 Apr 1930, E. G. Burggaller(D)

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T35B (4853) IA 5555 ex Emil Bremme

- Pyrmont climb (p/o Bad Pyrmont Trial, Hannover), 2.85 km, 22 Jun 1930,
- ADAC IV Eifelrennen, Nürburgring 6 July 1930, Burggaller, 2nd
- Klausenrennen 1930 Kategorie Sportwagen)
- #2 III Grand Prix de Monaco, Monte Carlo 19 April 1931, DNF
- #18 VIII Circuito di Alessandria 26 April 1931, 6th
- #2 ADAC VII Eifelrennen, Nürburgring 7 June 1931, Burggaller, DNF
- #4 V Großer Preis von Deutschland, Nürburgring 19 July 1931, DNF
- #17 I Internationales AVUS Rennen Berlin, Germany 2 Aug 1931, Burggaller DNF
- #14 II Masarykuv Okruh, Brno, Czechoslovakia 27 September 1931, DNA

Emil Bremme propriétaire d'une Brescia et T35 avait aussi un T35B en 1927 au Wiesbaden Automobile Week

Seulement 2 T35B avaient été livrés à Omnia
les #4842 et 4853 en mai 1927

Une de ces T35B utilisé en course par Bremme en 1928 et début 1930, ce T35B a été ensuite vendu à Ernst-Günther Burggaller (D) (registration IA-5555), qui l'a utilisé en course pendant 2 ans.

T35B ensuite modifié en T51A pour la saison 1932 et remodifié en 1933 comme monoplace.

Burggaller (D) a couru avec cette voiture dans la classe des 1,5l jusqu'à fin 1934.

Utilisée les premières années après guerre.

Burggaller avait un T37A pour les GP de Monaco le 6 avril 1930 et un T35B pour le GP de Monaco en 1931 devenu ensuite un T51A (51134)
Le T51A monoplace (37350) > Actuellement monoplace au Musée National de l'Automobile de Mulhouse ne serait pas le 51134 mais le 37350 modifié en T51A probablement par Willy Escher

Ce n'était pas le #51134 qui a été livré à Willy Escher (CH), mais le 37350 modifié avec un moteur T51A et qui se trouve actuellement à Mulhouse

Le 51134 est bien la T35B de Burggaller modifié en T51A monoplace.

D'après Michael Müller: "...il est toujours très douteux que le T51A de Burggaller ait été numéroté # 51134, la voiture n'a pas été reconstruite à Molsheim
Un #51134 aurait été livré à Willy Escher (CH) en juillet 1932 alors que le T51A de Burggaller existait déjà en mai 1932 à Wiesbaden
Lequel est réellement le 51134 ?..."

Je pense que cette analyse met en évidence la réalité malgré ce qu'avait dit Hugh Conway auparavant.

Okay guys, you got the point...

Okay, so far - so good. I go even further - the delivery to Escher is reported for July 1932.
Question: "T39C converted"?? Which one?

Correct so far....

Wrong, see above. It was a simple T37A.

Hi Michael.

Conway does not specify which T39C was converted, but 4898; engine 5 has almost no additional information. Please don't stop posting now, I am desperately trying to figure out what Bugatti69 wrote, but my French is practically non-existent. Was the Mulhouse monoposto originally a T37?

This is fun! Thanks.

Partly correct. Up to now I do not know which car Bremme had - #4842 or #4853. Both had been the first T35B delivered to Germany by Omnia, March and May 1927. First appearance of Bremme with this car on 24 May 1927 at Wiesbaden.



Fact is that he sold his car - most probably - in April 1930 to Ernst-Günther Burggaller. Fact is also that Burggaller raced this car - as T35B - until the end of 1931 "as is".

At Brno 1930 as race car:



Also at Monaco 1931:



But also as sports car e.g. at the Lückendorf hillclimb 1930:

Over the winter 1931/32 the car was converted to 8C-1500 DOHC, or in our usual terms to "T51A". First appearance was at Wiesbaden on 5 May 1932, where Burggaller won the 1.5 litre class.

Question: How can this be #51134, which only in July 1932 - thus 2 months later - was delivered to Escher???

Burggaller raced this car throughout 1932 with standard bodywork as sports car and race car (with fenders and lights removed) in the 1.5 litre class. Here below at the Riesengebirge hillclimb on 28 Aug 1932.