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Author:  superleggera [ Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:13 pm ]
Post subject:  can anyone identify?
note 10.15.2008 -- thanks for those who sent pm's to me -- a few things were identified and following up on it now. Picture removed due to request. (I had posted it without prior permission)

Mark Savory
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10.16.2008 -- I can use this partial picture to discover more about the Bugatti itself.

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the 328 removed from the photograph has been positively identified as sn#85310. Most of it's history is known and ownership at times included Wolfang Graf Berghe von Trips (later w/Ferrari) and then with the US serviceman Ray van Giessen. (who imported various BMW's and Bugatti's into the USA)

Now back to identifying this unique Bugatti that was being towed behind the 328! (too bad we don't see things like this happening anymore)

One thing with this great color picture is you can identify there was apparently an engine fire at one point having occured.
Author:  Hunter [ Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:23 am ]
Post subject:  BMW towing GP.
Badges on BMW appear to be British. A car belonging to a member of the occupying power ? Prisoner of war building behind ?
Author:  Michael Müller [ Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:50 am ]
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Plate is French Allied Forces Europe 1954-58

Example:

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Author:  Cris [ Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:45 pm ]
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Author:  Michael Müller [ Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:26 am ]
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The BMW is #85307, at that time owned by US serviceman Ray van Giessen. After the war he was stationed in Germany, where he "hunted" 328's, later he was detached to France - hence the plate - and switched over to Bugattis. So photo most probably has been taken somewhere in France around 1954/55. No info about the Bugatti, but surely it went to the US.
Author:  GCL-Wales [ Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:53 am ]
Post subject:  VAN GIESEN, Ray.
Could the GP in the picture be 4612 ?

VAN GIESEN, Ray.

The Philadelphia, USA, owner of the ex-Chiron, ex-Bith, ex-Richardson type 51 after its Atlantic-style body had been removed. According to Richardson in Bugantics 68/2/46 “The car was begged away from me by van Giesen, who let it sit uncompleted until he sold it to Hücke”.

Van Giesen is also listed in as the owner of a type 35 (4612 with engine 42) through the seventies and eighties.

(In 2004 the car was listed in Mulhouse).
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