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 Post subject: Replica = Copy , It is Replica exact copy or Recreation ?
PostPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:28 pm 
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Pour moi un Replica "R" est un Bugatti construite avec des éléments d'origine, en provenance d' autres Bugattis, ou une copie presque exacte de Bugattis existantes, ou une recréation suivant des dessins d'usine ou carrossiers de l'époque.

Les indications du BOC sont souvent incohérentes. Les Bugattis avec plaque chassis du BOC ont parfois des moteurs PS d' Argentine, ou autre. Ou sont des Bugattis reconstituées à partir d'éléments d'origine, en provenance de plusieurs autres Bugattis

Pour moi, c'est tous des Replicas, construits avec des élements de provenance différente, d'origine, copiés, ou recréés.

Une Bugatti d'origine, restaurée, avec ou pas des pièces d'origine, n'est pas une Replica, si elle a encore ses pièces essentielles d'origine, constituant sa structure et ses pièces mécaniques, les pièces remplacées étant souvent les pièces d'usure.

(Merci pour celui qui pourrait traduire en anglais mes précisions. Scuderia CC ou autre, le BOC ne devrait pas être la bible en la matière)


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 Post subject: Re: Replica = Copy , It is Replica exact copy or Recreation ?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:33 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Replica = Copy , It is Replica exact copy or Recreation ?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:57 am 
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For me Replica "R" is a Bugatti built with the original components from other Bugattis, or an almost exact copy of Bugattis existing recreation or following drawings or coach factory at the time.

The indications of the BOC are often inconsistent. Bugattis plate with the chassis of BOC sometimes PS engine from Argentina, or otherwise. Or Bugattis are reconstructed from the original components from several other Bugattis.

For me it is all replicas, built with elements from different, original, copied, or recreated.

A Bugatti original, restored, whether or not the original, is not a Replica, if it still has its original main parts, as its structure and mechanical parts, parts are often replaced parts wear.


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 Post subject: Re: Replica = Copy , It is Replica exact copy or Recreation ?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 1:34 pm 
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An English dictionary defines a replica as an EXACT copy of an original.

There is no such thing as EXACT copies of Bugattis. All the car built with C&G, Hoskins, Brineton etc. components differ to some extent from original.

If you look at flickr.com in the Bugatti Brescia group you will see two pictures. One shows a Molsheim differential casing, another shows a Brineton item. They are quite clearly different.

However, whilst the term "replica" is not technically correct I think it reasonable to establish a convention that cars built to the highest engineering standards to original factory drawings using components from reputable suppliers can be called "replicas" BUT this term must NOT be extended to cover left-hand drive type 59s, South American cars with petrol taps and instruments that look nothing like original, etc., etc.

In the seventies the UK BOC was at the forefront of Bugatti research and had the opportunity to establish a framework to categorise and record the newly-built cars with Bugatti badges on the radiator. There is now complete anarchy in the registration of cars whose owners choose to call them Bugattis.

Perhaps our friends in the Netherlands should sieze the initiative and set up a proper International Register -not a Wiki which is subject to abuse.

How about it Kees, Dick and Rick. You'e half way there already.


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 Post subject: Re: Replica = Copy , It is Replica exact copy or Recreation ?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:30 pm 
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Si ce n'est pas un replica (copie exacte), cela peut être appelé comment ?

Une reproduction avec copie exacte de quelques éléments ?

Une recréation qui ressemble à une bugatti, parfois selon des dessins ou projets de Gangloff ou autres?

Une imitation comme les Pur Sang Argentina?

Une reconstruction avec ou en partie d'éléments d'origine?

Il y a beaucoup de cas différents et c'est très compliqué à différencier sur un registre et le BOC n'est par parfait dans ses interprétations, ni les autres Registers.

Pour moi un replica c'est une copie parfaite ou imparfaite, comprenant ou pas quelques parties de Molsheim qui ne sont pas un chassis et un moteur.

Chaque débat sur ce sujet aura toujours des avis différents. Cela a déjà été débattu à maintes reprises
et c'est chaque fois remis en question à cause d'une approche compliquée sujette à des contestations,
qui n'apporte que des confusions.

Je pense qu'il serait plus simple de considérer 2 catégories:

1) Les Bugatti avec au minimum le chassis et moteur de Molsheim pouvant comporter éventuellement des parties remplacées (copie exactes de pièces cassées ou pièces d'usure)

2) Les Bugatti replica :R (replique exacte ou pas, imitation, reproduction, reconstruction, recréation , etc...)

Dans Wiki, en cas de doute , en attente de vérification, ou utilisation d'un numéro de chassis erroné, cela est précisé ou placé dans la liste par numéro de chassis (exemple '4842' comme sur les Registers de Kees Jansen) ou dans la liste des chassis inconnus (unknown-.....)

Cela est plus clair et permet d'éviter des confusions.


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 Post subject: Re: Replica = Copy , It is Replica exact copy or Recreation ?
PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:00 am 
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If this is not a replica (copy), it can be known how?

An exact copy with reproduction of some elements?

A re-creation that looks like a bugatti, sometimes using drawings or Gangloff projects or other?

A imitation as the Pur Sang Argentina ?

Reconstruction with or part of the original?

There are many different cases and it is very difficult to differentiate on a register and the BOC is not perfect in its interpretations, or other Registers.

For me it is a replica copy perfect or imperfect, whether or not some parts of Molsheim, which is not a chassis and an engine.

Every debate on this subject will always have different opinions. This has already been discussed many times and each time it is called into question because of a complicated subject to disputes, which brings only confusion.

I think it would be easier to treat 2 categories:

1) The Bugatti with at least the chassis and engine Molsheim may include any parts replaced (exact copy of broken or wear)

2) The Bugatti replica: R (replique accurate or not, imitation, reproduction, reconstruction, recreation, etc ...)

In Wiki, if in doubt, pending verification, or use of a number of erroneous frame, it is stated or placed in the list by chassis number (example: '4842'as the Registers of Kees Jansen) or list of chassis unknown (unknown-. ....)

This is more clear and avoids confusion.


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 Post subject: Re: Replica = Copy , It is Replica exact copy or Recreation ?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:50 am 
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PUR SANG made in ARGENTINE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sFDrhRabjE

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 Post subject: Re: Replica = Copy , It is Replica exact copy or Recreation ?
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 Post subject: Re: Replica = Copy , It is Replica exact copy or Recreation ?
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Veyron Replica :

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 Post subject: Re: Replica = Copy , It is Replica exact copy or Recreation ?
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Uwe wrote:
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I agree !!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Replica = Copy , It is Replica exact copy or Recreation ?
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:15 pm 
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Pur Sang wrote:

PUR SANG made in Belgium, I think that look even better Image

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 Post subject: Re: Replica = Copy , It is Replica exact copy or Recreation ?
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thanks you for a photo my replica inexpensive.
basis is a 2cv citroen completly transformed.
for juin, will all in order.


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 Post subject: Re: Replica = Copy , It is Replica exact copy or Recreation ?
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