Circuit des Ardennes

DJ Dirk · **Joined:** Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:22 pm **Posts:** 191

this coming weekend (1-3 july) they will hold the 4th historic Circuit des Ardennes meeting. only held every 3 years and there's a nice list of Bugatti's among the entrants

this is directly from the entrants list:
D122 Guy Feltes Bugatti Brescia de Course 1924
D127 Philippe Jacqmard Bugatti Brescia 1925
D128 Ab van Egmond Bugatti 38/44 Caisse Replica 1926
D129 Tjerk Stapel Bugatti T23 Brescia Modifiée 1926
D134 Philippe Sonet Bugatti T34 1926
D137 Erwin Beerens Bugatti 30 1926
D139 Jos Wuyts Bugatti 37A 1927
D151 Do Meeus Bugatti 44 Cabrio 1927
D155 Dominique Spinoso Bugatti Replica 35B 1927
D156 Marcel Sontrop Bugatti T37 1927
D160 Yoni Glasius Bugatti 44 1928
D161 Durk Stapel Bugatty T43 1928
D162 Allard Legger Bugatti T40 1928
D164 Luc Hanegreefs Bugatti 44 1928
D166 Jeff Leyssens Bugatti Grand Prix 1928
D172 Ron Beckers Bugatti T35C 1928
D173 Oscar Spreutel Bugatti T40 1929
D196 Bart Rosman Bugatti T43 1930
D198 Matthias Laqueur Bugatti T46S 1930
E309 Albert Goossens Bugatti 40 caisse replica 1932
E326 Roland D’Ieteren Bugatti T57 SQ Gangloff 1934
E344 Nicolas D’IEteren Bugatti T55 1936
E354 Francois Feller Bugatti T57 Ventoux 1938
E362 Albert Lemaire Bugatti T57C 1939

24 cars and in the program they also list a Veyron beeing displayed at the start

bugatti69 · **Posted:** Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:50 pm

DJ Dirk · **Joined:** Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:22 pm **Posts:** 191

update from "in the field"

D137 Erwin Beerens Bugatti 30 1926
is a T37 with a 35B engine

D156 Marcel Sontrop Bugatti T37 1927
is driving around with an Aston Martin DB4

E326 Roland D’Ieteren Bugatti T57 SQ Gangloff 1934
is 57157
E344 Nicolas D’IEteren Bugatti T55 1936
got replaced with an Alfa 8C!

J.J.Horst · **Posted:** Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:04 pm

Erwin Beerens heeft zijn T30 "ingeruild" voor de ex Lemon-Burton T37 #37371, die in de jaren 30 een T43 motor heeft gekregen. Geen "Bitsa" of zo.

bugatti69 · **Posted:** Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:04 am

- IV° Commémoration Circuit des Ardennes, Florenville, 30th June-3rd July 2011

#D122 T13 Brescia Sport 1924 (2275) EB 1924 (L), Goy Feltes (L)
#D127 T23 Brescia 1925 (1936) XU 8943 (GB), Philippe Jacqmard (B)
#D128 T38/44 Roadster Grand Sport 1926 (38101) PX-41-82 (NL), Ab van Egmond (NL)
#D129 T23 Brescia Modifiée 1926 (2898) ZD-46-11 (NL), Tjerk Stapel (NL)
#D134 T37 Sport 1926 (37219) VT.086 (B), Philippe Sonet
#D137 T37/43 Sport 1929 (37371), Erwin Beerens (B)
#D139 T43 Grand Sport (43196) DCX-168 (B), Jos Wuyts (B
#D155 T35B R Grand Prix (BO 312) OBR-352 (B), Dominique Spinoso
#D160 T44 Roadster1928 ('44892') 493 AFP 59 (F), Yoni Glasius (NL)
#D161 T43/57 Cabriolet 1930 (43293) XD-16-75 (NL), Durk Stapel
#D162 T40 Grand Sport 1928 (BC 064) DR-90-56 (NL), Allard Legger
#D166 T35B R Grand Prix ('4924'-R) JEF-047 (B), Jeff Leyssens (B)
#D172 T57 (64) Coupé 1938 (57625) Ron Beckers
#D173 T40 Grand Sport 1929 (40715) OAF-933 (B), Oscar Spreutel (B)
#D180 T38A Cabriolet Lavocat & Marsaud 1927 (38463) OAN-063 (B)
#D196 T43 Grand Sport 1930 (43303) PX-51-RG (NL), Bart Rosman (NL)
#D198 T46S Cabriolet Van Vooren 1930 (46355) HLC 799 (B), Macko Laqueur (B)
#D200 T40 Grand Sport 1927/28 (40606) D-DW567 H(D),
#D202 T13 Brescia Sport 1925 (2442) TYP-013 (B)
#E309 T40 or 40A? Grand Sport 1932 (40925) OCD-863 (B), Albert Goossens (B),
#E322 T51 R Grand Prix (PS) OCD-081 (B), Philippe Brebant (B)
#E326 T57 R Gangloff by ACT 2007 ('57157'), Roland D’Ieteren (B)
#E354 T57 Ventoux 1938 (57662), Francois Feller
#E355 T43 R Grand Sport (PS) OAY-469 (B),
#E362 T57C Aravis 1939 (57826) WH.230 (B), Albert Lemaire (B)
# ? T37 R Sport (037 SR) OAG-497 (B)

Indication in red: announced entry, not confirmed participation.

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DJ Dirk · **Joined:** Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:22 pm **Posts:** 191

i didn't see the Ventoux on any of the days, so most likelly not there

the others i still have to go over my shots to look for them

Desiderata · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:57 am **Posts:** 45

Please explain : what is a "caisse replica" ?

Bugwrench · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:16 pm **Posts:** 338

bugatti69 wrote:

- IV° Commémoration Circuit des Ardennes, Florenville, 30th June-3rd July 2011

#D122 T13 Brescia Sport 1924 (2275) EB 1924 (L), Goy Feltes (L)
#D127 T23 Brescia 1925 (1936) XU 8943 (GB), Philippe Jacqmard (B)
#D128 T38/44 Roadster Grand Sport 1926 (38101) PX-41-82 (NL), Ab van Egmond (NL)
#D129 T23 Brescia Modifiée 1926 (2898) ZD-46-11 (NL), Tjerk Stapel (NL)
#D134 T37 Sport 1926 (37219) VT.086 (B), Philippe Sonet
#D137 T37/35B Sport 1929 (37371), Erwin Beerens (B)
#D139 T43 Grand Sport (43196) DCX-168 (B), Jos Wuyts (B
#D151 T44 Cabriolet 1927 () Do Meeus (B)
#D155 T35B R Grand Prix (BO 312) OBR-352 (B), Dominique Spinoso
#D156 Aston Martin DB4
#D160 T44 Roadster1928 ('44892') 493 AFP 59 (F), Yoni Glasius (NL)
#D161 T43/57 Cabriolet 1930 (43293) XD-16-75 (NL), Durk Stapel
#D162 T40 Grand Sport 1928 (BC 064) DR-90-56 (NL), Allard Legger
#D164 T44 Torpedo 1928 (44746) OBH-055 (B), Luc Hanegreefs
#D166 T35B R Grand Prix ('4924'-R) JEF-047 (B), Jeff Leyssens (B)
#D172 T57 (64) Coupé 1938 (57625) Ron Beckers
#D173 T40 Grand Sport 1929 (40715) OAF-933 (B), Oscar Spreutel (B)
#D180 T38A Cabriolet Lavocat & Marsaud 1927 (38463) OAN-063 (B)
#D196 T43 Grand Sport 1930 (43303) PX-51-RG (NL), Bart Rosman (NL)
#D198 T46S Cabriolet Van Vooren 1930 (46355) HLC 799 (B), Macko Laqueur (B)
#D200 T40 Grand Sport 1927/28 (40606) D-DW567 H(D),
#D202 T13 Brescia Sport 1925 (2442) TYP-013 (B)
#E309 T40 Grand Sport 1932 (40925) OCD-863 (B), Albert Goossens (B),
#E322 T51 R Grand Prix (BE) OCD-081 (B), Philippe Brebant (B)
#E326 T57 R Gangloff by ACT 2007 ('57157'), Roland D’Ieteren (B)
#E344 Alfa 8C
#E354 T57 Ventoux 1938 (57662), Francois Feller
#E355 T43 R Grand Sport () OAY-469 (B),
#E362 T57C Aravis 1939 (57826) WH.230 (B), Albert Lemaire (B)
# ? T37 R Sport (037 SR) OAG-497 (B)

Indication in red: announced entry, not confirmed participation.

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D137 should rather be called 35/43 as it has a complete T43 engine not a 35B engine.
It also is a GP and not a 'Sport'
Both T44's D151 and D164 were not there.
D155 PS BO312 was there
D198 the T46S was almost certainly not there.
E309 is 40925 and this means it is a T40A
E322 T51R is a Salzman Argentina but I do not know the (assumed?) identity
E355 T43R is a PS but I do not know the (assumed?) identity
Bugwrench

Uwe · **Joined:** Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:12 pm **Posts:** 2285

Bugwrench wrote:

D137 should rather be called 35/43 as it has a complete T43 engine not a 35B engine.
It also is a GP and not a 'Sport'

Why 35/43, it is a T37 (correct T37A), und a T37 is and remains a sport model

Bugwrench · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:16 pm **Posts:** 338

Uwe wrote:

Bugwrench wrote:

D137 should rather be called 35/43 as it has a complete T43 engine not a 35B engine.
It also is a GP and not a 'Sport'

Why 35/43, it is a T37 (correct T37A), und a T37 is and remains a sport model

You are right. A typing error. I meant 37/43 of course.
The car was born as T37A which certainly was a 'voiture course' and not a 'voiture sport'.
Bugwrench

Desiderata · **Joined:** Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:57 am **Posts:** 45

I have always assumed that a 35 and a 37 used chassis frames from the same stack, just drilled differently, but am I right ?

Herman · **Posted:** Tue Jul 05, 2011 1:22 pm

That is a very interesting question, and I will make a new thread in the French Bugatti section about it.

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