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Author:  hortig78rpm [ Fri May 27, 2011 8:33 am ]
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while some cars made high prices: the talbot teardrop eur. 3,136.ooo.--, ferrari 375M
eur. 3,36o.ooo.--, ferrari 5oo trc eur. 2,8oo.ooo.-- or an 25o GT eur. 2,52o.ooo.--
the ex harrah`s T57 sc remained unsold at eur. 2.1oo.ooo.--.
no good time for sellung T57`s...-.

regards
mike
Author:  Scuderia CC [ Fri May 27, 2011 10:22 am ]
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- RM Auctions Villa d'Este by Ultimatecarpage

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- Villa d'Este by Supercars.net

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Author:  J.J.Horst [ Fri May 27, 2011 10:48 am ]
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hortig78rpm wrote:
while some cars made high prices: the talbot teardrop eur. 3,136.ooo.--, ferrari 375M
eur. 3,36o.ooo.--, ferrari 5oo trc eur. 2,8oo.ooo.-- or an 25o GT eur. 2,52o.ooo.--
the ex harrah`s T57 sc remained unsold at eur. 2.1oo.ooo.--.
no good time for sellung T57`s...-.

regards
mike

Maybe try a respray in black / red?

At the auction in 2009, the same car remained unsold also, though at a higher price of $4.4M, almost enough for the estimate now of €3.250.000.
Author:  Uwe [ Fri May 27, 2011 11:46 am ]
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perhaps one should have considered better the original state with the restoration
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Author:  J.J.Horst [ Fri May 27, 2011 2:48 pm ]
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In those days restaurations were without intention to bring the car back to original state.

Just the colors and details as the owner wished.

That may lead to some odd color choices, but of course, it's the owner's choice to make the car as he wishes!
Author:  hortig78rpm [ Sat May 28, 2011 6:45 am ]
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quite right you are. It was the circle around william harrah, who" invented" the restoration term "better than new".
but keep in mind the wonderfull colour taste of the americans,just the best on the brewster cars........

regards
mike
Author:  Uwe [ Sat May 28, 2011 8:34 am ]
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the taste of the Americans does not please everyone, otherwise the car would be already sold ...
Author:  hortig78rpm [ Sat May 28, 2011 6:55 pm ]
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the words "wonderfull taste" should have been sarcastic in any way

mike
Author:  ludo95 [ Mon May 30, 2011 5:10 pm ]
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Author:  Scuderia CC [ Tue May 31, 2011 6:57 am ]
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Encore une fois merci pour ces photos ludo :wink: 8)
Author:  Herman [ Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:49 pm ]
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I doubt it is the colour of the car that makes it not sell.

I like the red and black colour combo, but also the yellow/black version. I I hade that kind of money to spend, I am sure I could find a cheap polish painter that could respray it.
Author:  tilomagnet [ Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:34 pm ]
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J.J.Horst wrote:
In those days restaurations were without intention to bring the car back to original state.

Just the colors and details as the owner wished.

That may lead to some odd color choices, but of course, it's the owner's choice to make the car as he wishes!


I guess when this particular car was "restored" (~ 1970??), they really didn't know exactly what it originally looked like. I've seen photos of it pre-Harrah and some period modifications were brought back to original, while others were not. The rear end with those fins definately was there already before Harrah got it. The front wings seem to have been replaced and don't look quite right.
Author:  hortig78rpm [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:45 am ]
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although harrah was one of the founders of the "better than new" collectors, he always did a lot of research when restoring cars, trying to have them back to original condition (not preserverved)

regards
mike
Author:  tilomagnet [ Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:27 pm ]
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True. That's why I think they got a bit confused as to how that car looked like when it left Molsheim, as some period body changes were brought back to original, but as we all know today it still doesn't look quite right.

IMO Harrah's folks did a great job on the restaurations of most of the collector cars considering the time and the colour schemes were quite tasteful most of the time. The Atalante is an exception I'd say.
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