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 Post subject: Artcurial Motorcars à Rétromobile
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:23 am 
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ARTCURIAL Motorcars at Rétromobile, Friday 8 February 2013
http://www.artcurial.com/en/departments ... cing_cars/


- Lot 169: Bugatti Type 52 Baby Châssis No.430
http://www.artcurial.com/fr/asp/fullcat ... 77&image=0

- Lot 364: 1936 BUGATTI 57 C VENTOUX
http://www.artcurial.com/fr/asp/fullCat ... o=10407823

- Lot 367: 1935 BUGATTI TYPE 57 CABRIOLET VANVOOREN Chassis : 57274, Moteur : 197
http://www.artcurial.com/fr/asp/fullCat ... o=10407824

- Lot 391: 1995 BUGATTI EB 110 SS Châssis n°ZA9CBO2U5RCD39025
http://www.artcurial.com/fr/asp/fullCat ... o=10421924

- Lot 392: 1935 BUGATTI TYPE 57 COACH VENTOUX Châssis 57344, Moteur 265
http://www.artcurial.com/fr/asp/fullCat ... o=10421925

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 Post subject: Re: Artcurial Motorcars à Rétromobile
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:41 pm 
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Scuderia CC wrote:
ARTCURIAL Motorcars at Rétromobile, Friday 8 February 2013
http://www.artcurial.com/en/departments ... cing_cars/


- Lot 169: Bugatti Type 52 Baby Châssis No.430
http://www.artcurial.com/fr/asp/fullcat ... 77&image=0


T52? An Auction house should know better than that.
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 Post subject: Re: Artcurial Motorcars à Rétromobile
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 7:39 pm 
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The International Bugatti Register also believes Type 52
http://www.bugattiregister.com/wiki/ind ... is_numbers

Bugatti-Trust believes Type Baby
http://www.bugatti-trust.co.uk/photogra ... m-16-baby/

Bugattibuilder also believes Type Baby
http://www.bugattibuilder.com/photo/index.php?cat=28


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 Post subject: Re: Artcurial Motorcars à Rétromobile
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:08 pm 
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Uwe wrote:
The International Bugatti Register also believes Type 52
http://www.bugattiregister.com/wiki/ind ... is_numbers

Bugatti-Trust believes Type Baby
http://www.bugatti-trust.co.uk/photogra ... m-16-baby/

Bugattibuilder also believes Type Baby
http://www.bugattibuilder.com/photo/index.php?cat=28


And what is your conclusion? Some people have corrected their errors of the past but WIKI apparently not yet!
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 Post subject: Re: Artcurial Motorcars à Rétromobile
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:26 pm 
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Bugwrench wrote:
Uwe wrote:
The International Bugatti Register also believes Type 52
http://www.bugattiregister.com/wiki/ind ... is_numbers

Bugatti-Trust believes Type Baby
http://www.bugatti-trust.co.uk/photogra ... m-16-baby/

Bugattibuilder also believes Type Baby
http://www.bugattibuilder.com/photo/index.php?cat=28


And what is your conclusion? Some people have corrected their errors of the past but WIKI apparently not yet!
Bugwrench

If enough people call something a Banana for long enough then it is called a Banana.I am happy with the T52 designation.At least EVERYONE knows what I am talking about.


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 Post subject: Re: Artcurial Motorcars à Rétromobile
PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:28 pm 
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Bugwrench wrote:
And what is your conclusion? Some people have corrected their errors of the past but WIKI apparently not yet!
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 Post subject: Re: Artcurial Motorcars à Rétromobile
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:45 am 
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Type 57C Ventoux, called "La Grise": 57452 or 57308 ? ? ?

57452 or 57308 delivered the 3rd October 1936 (red) ?
4834-NV3, delivered to 57308 by the Prefecture of Bas-Rhin for Automobiles Ettore Bugatti, around on June 7, 1936

Not delivered 4834-NV3 for 57452.
Dice spring 1937, 57452 uses “carte grise” with 4834-NV3, delivered to 57308 by the Prefecture of Bas-Rhin for Automobiles Ettore Bugatti

6196-NV3, delivered to (…..?) by the Prefecture of Bas-Rhin for Automobiles Ettore Bugatti, by the Prefecture of Bas-Rhin at the end of November 1936


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 Post subject: Re: Artcurial Motorcars à Rétromobile
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 Post subject: Re: Artcurial Motorcars à Rétromobile
PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:00 pm 
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Laugier says : " La Bugatti 57308C n'a pas quitté le département de la Seine et nous la retrouvons soumise au régime de la réimmatriculation le 27 avril 1955, au nom de Gaston THERET, domicilié au 25 Place des Vosges à Paris. Le document de Police rappelle la plaque d'origine 4420-RL3 qui date bien de l'automne 1937, période d'achat par A. de La Rochefoucauld."

De La Rochefoucauld: 4420-RL3 with 57308 or 57452/57308 ?

Difficult to answer this question. Laugier says that 57452: "... from Spring 1937, it was registered " châssis 57308 ", and used the registration plates 4834 NV3, (as confirmed in a factory note in April 1937)."

4834-NV3, delivered to 57308 by the Prefecture of Bas-Rhin for Automobiles Ettore Bugatti, around on June 7, 1936 . That well before April 1937.

That explains the conclusions of Laugier: The 57452 became the 57308.

The comment of the photograph of the other 57308, could be inaccurate. De La Rochefoucauld was owner of the different one: 57452 become 57452/57308 and then 57308.

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 Post subject: Re: Artcurial Motorcars à Rétromobile
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:25 pm 
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For what Price the Baby whas sold :?:


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 Post subject: Re: Artcurial Motorcars à Rétromobile
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:26 am 
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123 Mido Bugatti 35 702 € Vendu

169 Circa 1926 Bugatti Type 52 63 754 € Vendu

364 1936 BUGATTI 57 C VENTOUX - no reserve 421 445 € Vendu

367 1935 BUGATTI TYPE 57 CABRIOLET VANVOOREN 586 112 € Vendu

392 1935 BUGATTI TYPE 57 COACH VENTOUX 403 149 € Vendu


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 Post subject: Re: Artcurial Motorcars à Rétromobile
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Lot 364 - 1936 - Bugatti 57 C Ventoux - Châssis n° 57452-57308 Moteur n° 1C - Estimates 250.000 € at 300.000 € - Sold 421.445 €

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Lot 367 - 1935 - Bugatti Type 57 Cabriolet Vanvooren - Châssis n° 57274 Moteur n° 57274-197 - Estimates 550.000 € at 850.000 € - Sold 586.112 €

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Lot 391 - 1995 - Bugatti EB 110 SS - Châssis n° ZA9CB02U5RCD39025 - Estimates entre 380.000 € at 480.000 € - Sold 448.890 €

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Lot 392 - 1935 - Bugatti Type 57 Coach Ventoux - Châssis n° 57344 Moteur n° 265 - Estimates 280.000 € at 360.000 € - Sold 403.149 €

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 Post subject: Re: Artcurial Motorcars à Rétromobile
PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:46 am 
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Merci Ludo :) :wink:

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