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 Post subject: Re: Centenary Bugatti 2009
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 Post subject: Re: Centenary Bugatti 2009
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 Post subject: Re: Centenary Bugatti 2009
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- Festival Bugatti, Molsheim, 11-16th September 2009

T35C GP 1929 (4923) STA-074 (D) n°10
#129 T40 GS 1927 (40221) GP-XT 40H (D),


N°10 is: 4928 not 4923
#129 is (40763) not 40221


For me

the 4928 is at Mulhouse (Collection Schlumpf)
#129 > 40221 with engine 667 from 40763

I have worked on Richard Leesons T40 which is definately a genuine chassis.


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 Post subject: Re: Centenary Bugatti 2009
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Re: 40221 ro 40763?

In Molsheim I spoke at length to the owner, Ulrich, who was very open about the car, told me everything I wanted to know, and who also graciously let me photograph all numbers.

The car is built out of genuine Molsheim bits. Hugh Conway sr had found the frame in 1962 in Liverpool, which is 40221. The engine 667 ex 40763 was installed and as such it also received a new chassisplate stamped 40763. It was registered as such with the UK plates CM 6822 (which is still on the front of car; the German plate is over it). The Grand Sport replica body was built by Wilkinson. It was built for Richard Leeson by Robin Townsend from Townsend engineering.

In general I depict a car according to its frame but in some cases owners prefer to depict it with the number with which it is registered. Some are afraid sooner or later the WIKI may achieve authoritative status which may bring them in trouble with the authorities.

So this car now drives around as '40763' but it has the frame of 40221. I would for the Wiki depict it as '40763' (in quotation marks, as it is called that way, but the frame is from a different car). It is not a replica.

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 Post subject: Re: Centenary Bugatti 2009
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Re: 40221 ro 40763?

In Molsheim I spoke at length to the owner, Ulrich, who was very open about the car, told me everything I wanted to know, and who also graciously let me photograph all numbers.

The car is built out of genuine Molsheim bits. Hugh Conway sr had found the frame in 1962 in Liverpool, which is 40221. The engine 667 ex 40763 was installed and as such it also received a new chassisplate stamped 40763. It was registered as such with the UK plates CM 6822 (which is still on the front of car; the German plate is over it). The Grand Sport replica body was built by Wilkinson. It was built for Richard Leeson by Robin Townsend from Townsend engineering.

In general I depict a car according to its frame but in some cases owners prefer to depict it with the number with which it is registered. Some are afraid sooner or later the WIKI may achieve authoritative status which may bring them in trouble with the authorities.

So this car now drives around as '40763' but it has the frame of 40221. I would for the Wiki depict it as '40763' (in quotation marks, as it is called that way, but the frame is from a different car). It is not a replica.

Kees

Hi Kees sorry we did not get to chat at Molsheim but it was as usual chaos ! This car is of course 40221 with bits from other genuine T40's added.


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 Post subject: Re: Centenary Bugatti 2009
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Hi Kees

For me it is 40221 with engine from 40763

see : http://www.bugattiregister.com/wiki/ind ... itle=40221

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 Post subject: Re: Centenary Bugatti 2009
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- Festival Bugatti, Molsheim, 11-16th September 2009

Liste des participants mise à jour le 6 janvier 2010:

T17 Saloon Fiacre four-seater 1912 (482)
T18 prototype 1912 (471) AM 2678 (GB)
T19 Bébé Peugeot 1913 () Autostadt Car Museum, Wolfsburg
T30 Sport (BC 118) SV 8656 (GB)
T30 Torpedo 1924 (4180) Vendiesse (F)

T35 GP 1924 (4327) 5881 YG 06 (F)
T35 R GP 2005 ('4240'-R) 6646 QK 91 (F)
T35 R GP 1980 ('4421') WL 6488 (GB), OBP-920 (B)
T35A GP 1927 (unknown) 37 RG 74 (F)
T35/A GP 1927 ('4458') 852 MZM 75 (F)

T35A GP 1927 (4801) 74 TA 62 (F)
T35B GP 1929 (4914) 8871-CA4 (F)
T35B R GP 2001 (BC 122) EX 9434 (GB)n°27
T35C GP 1929 (4928) STA-074 (D) n°10
T35T GP 1926 (4796) H-EJ 35H (D)

T37 GP 1926 (37124) 3616 EW 75 (F)
T37 GP 1926 (37155) EB37.155 (DK)
T37 GP 1927 (37256) AL-37-51 (NL)
T37/35T GP 1926 (unknown) 23 AAW
T37A GP 1928 (37307) FR-T 39 H (D)

T37A GS ('37155'-R) VD-506591 (CH), Eric Koux (F)
T37A R GP 1927 (BC 117) GW 491 (GB)
T38/44 GP 1926 (38101) PX-41-82 (NL)
T40 Cabriolet 1931 (40699) 699 AXG 67 (F)
T40 GS 1928 (40577)A-40(DK)

T41 Royale Coupé Napoléon (41100)
T41 Royale Binder (41111)
T43 GS 1927 (43183) AE-81-63 (NL)
T43 GS 1928 (43211) OS-II 343H (D)
T43 GS (unknown) 276 BSY 83 (F)

T43 Roadster Figoni 1929 (43272) 207 X 75 (F)
T43/57 Cabriolet 1930 (43293) XD-16-75 (NL)
T44 Roadster 1928 (44599) AG-5572 (CH)
T44 Coupé Tomas 1931 (441331) BE-2614 (CH)
T46 Coupé N. () recarrossé

T46 Berline Milion Guilet 1933 (46523), Schl.
T50T Million-Guiet 1933 (50160), Schl.
T50S road. Abbott de Farnham 1931 (50126) NE-689-U (CH)
T51 GP 1934 (51154) UXG 108 (GB)
T51 R GP (PS) 4680 NG 70 (F)

T55 SS 1932 (55215)schl.
T55 Coupé 1932 (55216) NE-577-U (CH)
T55 SS 1935 (55238)
T55 Coupé 1932 (55229) 4568 MK 62 (F)
T56 Electrique 1931 (56110)

T57 cab. Graber 1937 (57444)BE-2105(CH),
T57 Corsica Tourer 1935 (57326) BRB 800 (GB)
T57 Coupé Paul Nee 1936 (57397)
T57 Ventoux 1936 ((57782)) LAU-AC 57H (D)
T57 Ventoux 1938 (57628) 57 ATM 67 (F)

T57 Ventoux 1937 (57488) 37 EEC 78 (F)
T57C Atalante 1937 (57570) 57 CGX 31 (F)
T57 Coupé 1938 (57625) BP-19-31 (NL)
T57C Stelvio Gangloff 1938 (57679) AM-17-29 (NL), Jaap Braam Ruben
T57S Atalante 1936 (57384) AG-100 (CH)

T57SC R Atlantic (Koux)
T57SCR road 1937 (BC 116) 8631 YV 84 (F)
T59 GP 1933 (59123)
T59/50B3 Monoplace 1938 (441352) n°22
T64 Coupe Prototype 1939 (64001)

T73A Prototype 1947 (73001)
T101 Coupé Guilloré 1951 (101502) 57 ZW 68 (F)
T252 Cabriolet 1957 () Musée Schlumpf
#101 T49 Cabriolet Gangloff (49558) 5970 TC 33 (F)
#102 T57 Stelvio Gangloff 1936 (57366) 57 ZX 42 (F)

#103 T40 GS 1928 (40825) 5617 RN 83 (F)
#104 T57 Ventoux 1934 (57204) ZA-809-HF (I)
#106 T44 GS 1928 (44417) 516 (AUS)
#109 T57C Cabriolet Aravis Let. & Mar. 1938 (57826) WH.230 (B)
#110 T49 GS 1930 (49116) 476 EYE 92 (F)

#111 T43 GS 1928 (43230) HC 9376 (USA)
#112 T49 Roadster Uhlik 1931 (49274), Aö-EB 49H (D)
#113 T35B GP 1930 (4955) BF 5229 (GB)
#114 T57S Aérolithe 1935 recréation (57645) 116 UXY (GB)
#115 T38 Lavocat & Marsaud 1927 (38240) E-EB 38H (D)

#116 T57 Ventoux 1937 (57559) 4129 H75 (F), 7252 SJ 73 (F)
#118 T37A R GP 1927 (BC 117) GW 491 (GB)
#119 T35B R GP (PS) 3940 ZE 68 (F)
#121 T57 Galibier 1939 (57761) 131 VD 67 (F)
#122 T35B GP 1926 (4537) 35 YE 67 (F) n°33

#123 T37A GP (37220) 3342 YN 68 (F)
#124 T51 GP (BC 087) ES C 56H (D),
#125 T44 Roadster 1929 (441056) DS 6609 (GB)
#126 T40 GS 1929 (40671) RüD-EB 40H (D)
#127 T23 Roadster (unknown) 23 AYX 51 (F)

#128 T44 Chassis (44817) AC-388-HG (F)
#129 T40 GS 1927 (40221) GP-XT 40H (D)
#130 T40 Torpedo 1928 (40657) 40 APJ 67 (F)
#133 T51 GP 1934 (unknown) 51 YE 67 (F) n°14,
#134 T35B R GP (PS) 293 BDN 67 (F)

#135 T57 Atalante 1938 (57598) 15 UV 57 (F)
#136 T35B R GP 2008 ('4780'-R PS) 69 AG 57 (F)
#137 T37 R GP () 37 XR 67 (F),
#138 T35B R GP (PS) AA-287-PB (F)
#139 T37A GP 1928 (BC114) CVK 103 (GB)

#140 T37A R GP 1927 (BC 077) BJJ 651 (GB)
#141 T40 GS 1928 (40842) 111 ALF 67 (F)
#143 T43 GS 1927 (43192) HG-EB 43H (D)
#145 T44 Roadster 1928 ('44892') 493 AFP 59 (F), VT-85-93 (NL)
#146 T23 Torpedo 1922 (1303) 1739 XV 21 (F), Friedli Patrick

#149 T40 GS 1929 (40793) CD 601 (GB)
#150 T13 Brescia sport 1923 (1654) GE 168600 (CH)
#151 Mathis
#152 T35B R GP 1926 () 4916 GJ 90 (F)
#153 T44 Tourer 1929 (441010) AC-260-KL (F), Xavier Feidt

#154 T35 GP 1925 (4640) 2020 SF 37 (F)
#156 T39 GP 1925 (4604) YN 1369 (GB),
#157 T40 Faux cabriolet 1927 (40460) 9171 HJ 62 (F)
#159 T40 GS 1928 (40565) 40 YT 68 (F)
#160 T38 GS 1927 (38333) EB 1927 (LUX)

#161 T40 GS 1929 (40749) VD-40024 (CH)
#162 T57C Galibier 1939 (57807) 1430 PH 10 (F)
#164 T40 Cabriolet 1927 (40642) 94 BCX 67 (F)
#165 T49 Faux cabriolet Gangloff 1930 (49430) 525 ACL 42 (F)
#167 T57C Atalante 1937 (57570) 57 CGX 31 (F)

#168 T40 Torpedo Bousson 1927/33 (40636) DE-22-51 (NL)
#172 T44 Faux cabriolet Gangloff (44931) HD-0730 (D)
#173 T35B R GP ('4930'-R PS) 35 BEB 59 (F)
#174 T19 Bébé Peugeot () VI-A652, 13 XB 68 (F)
#176 T252 R cabriolet ()143 HPO, John Barton

#178 T57 Galibier 1937 (57603) 57603 (L)
#179 T40 cabriolet fiacre 1928 (40623) DS 7138 (GB)
#181 T35B R GP 1926 () 2693 SG 58 (F) n°7

EB110 ()3201 XY 94 (F)
EB110 ()EB 110 SS
EB 16/4 Veyron ()5201 WW 167 (F)
EB 16/4 Veyron ()3201 W 67 (F)
EB 16/4 Veyron ()AB-367-EB (F)

total 128 (après mise à jour du 5 janvier 2010)

- Rallye 100 ans d'Excellence, Mulhouse-Paris, 16-20th September 2009

#2 T57 Ventoux 1934 (57204) ZA-809-HF (I)
#4 T57 Coupé 1938 (57625) BP-19-31 (NL)
#5 T57 Atalante 1938 (57598) 15 UV 57 (F)
#6 T51 GP 1934 (51154) UXG 108 (GB)
#8 T57 Cab. James Young 1934 (57116) BE-1466 (CH)

#9 T35A GP ()
#10 T40 Cabriolet fiacre 1928 (40623) DS 7138 (GB)
#15 T57C Atalante 1937 (57570) 57 CGX 31 (F)
#16 T43 GS 1928 (43230) HC 9376 (USA)
#17 T35B R GP ('4930'-R PS) 35 BEB 59 (F)

#18 T57 Galibier 1937 (57603) 57603 (L)
#19 T44 Tourer 1929 (441010) AC-260-KL (F), Xavier Feidt
#20 T13 Brescia sport 1924 (2275) EB 1924n°7
#21 T23 Torpedo 1922 (1303) 1739 XV 21 (F), Friedli Patrick
#24 T44 Roadster 1928 ('44892') 493 AFP 59 (F), VT-85-93 (NL)

#25 T57 Coupé Paul Nee 1936 (57397)
#26 T57 Ventoux 1936 ((57782)) LAU-AC 57H (D)
#27 T50T Cab. Weinberger 1933 (BC 139) 151 UXW (GB)
#28 T44 Coach Tomas 1931 (441331) BE 2614 (CH)
#29 T44 cab. Reufflet 1929 (441074) 44 ZW 91 (F)

#30 T37A GS ('37155'-R) VD-506591 (CH), Eric Koux (F)
#32 T37 GP 1926 (37155) EB37.155 (DK)
#33 T57C Cabriolet Aravis Let. & Mar. 1938 (57826) WH.230 (B)
#34 T49 Roadster Uhlik 1931 (49274), Aö-EB 49H (D)
#35 T35 R GP 2005 ('4240'-R) 6646 QK 91 (F),

#37 T37 GP 1926 (37124) 3616 EW 75 (F)
#38 T43A Roadster 1929 (43278) AE-49-15 (NL)
#39 T40 GS 1929 (40793) CD 601 (GB)
#41 T55 cpé 1932 (55229) 4568 MK 62(F)
#42 T35B R GP (PS) 293 BDN 67 (F)

#43 T46 chassis (44817) AC-388-HG (F)
#44 T44 GS 1928 (44417) 516 (AUS)
#47 T43/57 Cab. 1930 (43293) XD-16-75 (NL)
#49 T38/44 GP 1926 (38101) PX-41-82 (NL)
#50 T57 Ventoux 1937 (57488) 37 EEC 78 (F)

#53 T40 GS 1928 (40577) A-40 (DK)
#CBF T40 Cab. 1927 (40307) 144 FXG 92 (F),
T13 Brescia sport 1923 (1654) GE 168600 (CH)
T23 Roadster (unknown) 23 AYX 51 (F)
T30? Torpedo (unknown) 32 RCZ 75 (F)

T30 Torpedo 1924 (4180) Bruno Vendiesse (F)
T35 GP 1924 (4327) 5881 YG 06 (F)
T35A GP 1926 (4801) 74 TA 62 (F),
T35A GP 1926 (4840) 513 FNA 92 (F),Marc Nicolosi
T35B R GP 2008 ('4780'-R PS) 69 AG 57 (F)

T37 GP 1926 (37148 R) 37 XA 27 (F)
T37 GP 1927 (37256) AL-37-51 (NL)
T37A GP 1926 (37165) 672 RNL 75 (F),
T39 GP 1925 (4604) YN 1369 (GB)
T40 GS 1927 (40297)397 FHY 92(F),

T40 GS 1927 (40347) 2195 TK 33 (F)
T40 Cab. 1927 (40642) 94 BCX 67 (F)
T40 Torpedo Bousson 1927/33 (40636) DE-22-51 (NL)
T43 Road. Figoni 1929 (43272) 207 X 75 (F)
T46 Surprofilé 1933 (46482), Schl.

T50T Million-Guiet 1933 (50160), Schl.
T51/R GP (BC 087) ES C 56H (D)
T56 électrique (56101) Friedli
T57 Stelvio 1936 (57381) 3031 SL 92 (F)
T57SC R Roadster 1937 (BC 116) 8631 YV 84 (F)

T57C Stelvio Gangloff 1938 (57679) AM-17-29 (NL), Jaap Braam Ruben
T101 Coupé Guilloré 1951 (101502) 57 ZW 68 (F)
T252 Cabriolet 1957 () Musée Schlumpf
EB110 ()3201 XY 94 (F)

total 64


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