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 Post subject: Car 1187
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:41 pm 
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According to the "Brescia" experts, the photographs published today of a "type 13" with the caption 1187 driven by Rondoni at Molsheim in 2002 is NOT that car. See notes from my data-base below.

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A 16-valve type 23 with engine number 750 which is recorded in factory records as having been delivered to a customer named Renard in St. Dié on 14th September 1921. Steinhauser's 2008 book on Ettore Bugatti refers to a "Carbu. Zénith triple diffuseur". This is taken to relate to the car's original fitment. The car's subsequent history is unknown and most experts believe it has been scrapped. However, in Spring 1973 (“Bugantics” Vol. 36 No.1 p.63) Conway’s International Register recorded a type 13 with chassis 1187 and engine 456 with the note that it was now owned by Uwe Hücke of Nettelstedt, Germany. Despite being a prolific author, this gentleman has been associated with various Bugattis of dubious provenance. Bob King's 2006 register of surviving 16-valve cars "The Brescia Bugatti" makes no mention of car 1187, however, on page 332, reference is made to a type 13 "Brescia Course" with engine 456 with its crankcase stamped 1187. According to King this engine came from car 2044.The car is recorded on Bugatti Register.com as 1187 with the note that after Hücke's death it was owned by the proprietor of Ventoux Moteurs in Carpentras; Laurent Rondoni who used it at the Festival Bugatti in Molsheim in September 2002. It later passed to Christophe de Boutiny who used it with Georges Gianti for the 1st Rencontres Internationales Bugatti en Corse in June 2007. More recently it has appeared at the Avignon Motor Festival and at Le Grand Prix de l'Age d'Or in 2009 still carrying the French registration 5185 YF 06. It is a very tastefully built car remarkable for its all-over black finish and a large single front headlamp. Despite having large question marks hanging over it this is neverless a very desirable and attractive car.


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 Post subject: Re: Car 1187
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:43 pm 
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GCL-Wales wrote:
According to the "Brecia" experts ...

I am not Brescia expert, but they cannot write Brescia times correctly Image
By the way is the information from bugatti69 :!:

bugatti69 wrote:
- Festival Bugatti, Molsheim, 13-15th September 2002
#2 T13 Brescia sport 1921 (1187) 5185 YF 06 (F), Laurent Rondoni (F)


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 Post subject: Re: Car 1187
PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:30 pm 
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Can anyone provide ANY evidence to substantiate the claim made by Rondoni that the car he drove at the Molsheim Festival in 2002 is car 1187 ?


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