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 Post subject: German Wiki and correct data?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 7:22 am 
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I wanted to add informations about few Polish, Czech and Hungarian Bugattis, but...

My earlier entries were corrected by someone. For example - Bugatti 4932 - Stanislas is NOT a Polish first name, Stanisław YES.
Another thing. The name of one our meeting is in Polish and German - Grand Prix Lwowa and Großer Preis von Lemburg. If the German is correct, it should be Großer Preis von Frankreich or Großer Preis von Großbritanien.

From today I will NOT edit the Bugattiregister Wiki.


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 Post subject: Re: German Wiki and correct data?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:28 am 
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I am also a victim and feel with you. My entries were also always corrected.
Wiki is probably property of bugatti69 ...


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 Post subject: Re: German Wiki and correct data?
PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 8:57 am 
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Uwe wrote:
Here you see for example the History of 4932. I am also a victim and feel with you. My entries were also always corrected.
Wiki is probably property of bugatti69 ... ????????

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 Post subject: Re: German Wiki and correct data?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:32 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: German Wiki and correct data?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 6:53 pm 
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Uwe wrote:
bugatti69 wrote:
Wiki is probably property of bugatti69 ... ????????

Also discussions are deleted by you in wiki [also of me]. With which right :?:
Are you God of wiki :?:


I do not understand your baseless accusation.
On Wiki There are errors that I corrected as you, and I do not refuse the debate.

Have not you deleted my comments several times on bugattibuilder picture? With that law.
Are you God of bugattibuilder.

It's also easy to take my comments on these photos and make them as if it was you who made them.

I do not stop, but otherwise you do not bother you to criticize what you do yourself. It's funny that you're looking to do that and the way you mix everything. To intervene in the place of others.

Why you do this, it is to be Administrator?

You do not respond to private messages and you unpack your remarks in public.

bugatti69


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 Post subject: Re: German Wiki and correct data?
PostPosted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:14 pm 
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anjakub wrote:
I wanted to add informations about few Polish, Czech and Hungarian Bugattis, but...

My earlier entries were corrected by someone. For example - Bugatti 4932 - Stanislas is NOT a Polish first name, Stanisław YES.
Another thing. The name of one our meeting is in Polish and German - Grand Prix Lwowa and Großer Preis von Lemburg. If the German is correct, it should be Großer Preis von Frankreich or Großer Preis von Großbritanien.

From today I will NOT edit the Bugattiregister Wiki.


Ok to Stanislaw, I by Stanislas in my information that I'm correct. I regret not having checked on the Internet

Thank you for the report.

For the names of meetings, is sometimes referred to in English and sometimes in the name where the meeting takes place. This is not always easy to translate into English


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 Post subject: Re: German Wiki and correct data?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:39 am 
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OK, I can make the following observations:

This is a multi-lingual community, with different languages, different culture, different way of life. We all know (even atheists) what might happen. In Babel they failed miserably. we should at least try to do better.

There is an underground feeling of "people owning the site" (or parts of it, or the register). Let me tell you that I own the stuff solely, and ALL people are invited to join. That is what this site is about. I thank all people who do join.

I also feel I need to explain once more the way of working in different areas of the site.

The Photo Server: There are many photos in the "unknown" section. anyone can make a comment on these photos, and the data will be moved into the proper fields (description, chassis number, title) for that photo, and the photo moved to the right album. This helps search engine optimisation a lot. After this, the comment is removed otherwise it would be almost impossible to keep track of new comments. I strive to keep the number of comments to 0.

In the event of a dispute or conflicting data, please post the photo in the forum. More people check the forum than anything else, so it is a good way of gathering more data on that photo.

The same is true for the Register: Any conflicting data is to be discussed on the forum. The forum attracts more people (more knowledge) and is designed for discussion. The WIKI (software on which the Register is running) is not designed for discussion. Remarks can be made in the "talk" section of the WIKIpage (check the tabs on top of every page), but I feel this is not ideal.

Another thing that seems to bother people: Naming convention. People and events can be expressed in English, or in the language of origin. From now on I suggest only using the names of origin. (Stanislas instead of Stanley, Musee du chemin de fer instead of Mulhouse Railway Museum, etc.) Native French speakers (or any other language) are able to correct in the event of misspelled names.

I hope this keeps things on the right track.

Herman

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 Post subject: Re: German Wiki and correct data?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:45 am 
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Herman I agree with everything you say, but
apparently some people find my interventions
bugattiregister too frequent. I know that I am the main
contributor, but that does not please everyone. I am
bugattiregister no god, only I complete each day
information. When I have doubts, I made contact with
those involved, often by email, with which
I maintain cordial relations.

The problems are often discussed outside bugattiregister
and the result is then placed on bugattiregister. Sometimes
having no other resources I use the forum
bugattibuilder, perhaps not enough for some, but it would
a lot of work that time does not always. I
already spends much time on bugattiregister.

So far 660 people have registered and consult
bugattiregister, only 399 for bugattibuilder, which
shows particular interest in this register. This proves
lot. (Bugattiregister to see stats)

The main contributors are often and bring
much information, while remaining within the framework of
presentation is a great pleasure and also a great
satisfaction. This allows bugattiregister becoming more and
more credible, even a reference for many.

Herman again thank you for creating such bugattiregister

Christian

Herman je suis d'accord avec tout ce que vous dites, mais
apparemment quelques personnes trouvent mes interventions sur
bugattiregister trop fréquentes. Je sais que je suis le principal
contributeur, mais cela ne plaît pas à tout le monde. Je ne suis
pas dieu de bugattiregister, seulement je complète chaque jour
les informations. Quand j'ai des doutes, je prends contact avec
les personnes concernées, souvent par email, avec lesquelles
j'entretiens des relations cordiales.

Les problèmes sont souvent débattus en dehors de bugattiregister
et le résultat est ensuite mis sur bugattiregister. Parfois
n'ayant pas d'autres ressources j'utilise le forum de
bugattibuilder, peut-être pas assez pour certains, mais ce serait
un gros travail que le temps ne me permet pas toujours. Je
consacre déjà beaucoup de temps sur bugattiregister.

A ce jour : 660 personnes sont inscrites et consultent
bugattiregister, seulement 399 pour bugattibuilder, ce qui
montre l'intérêt particulier pour ce register. Cela prouve
beaucoup de choses. (voir sur bugattiregister à statistiques)

Les principaux contributeurs se retrouvent souvent et apportent
beaucoup d'informations, en restant dans le cadre de
présentation, c'est un grand plaisir et aussi une grande
satisfaction. Cela permet à bugattiregister de devenir de plus en
plus crédible, voire une référence pour beaucoup.

Herman encore merci pour avoir créer bugattiregister


Christian


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 Post subject: Re: German Wiki and correct data?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:00 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: German Wiki and correct data?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:58 pm 
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Uwe wrote:
Herman wrote:
OK, I can make the following observations:

This is a multi-lingual community, with different languages, different culture, different way of life. We all know (even atheists) what might happen. In Babel they failed miserably. we should at least try to do better.

There is an underground feeling of "people owning the site" (or parts of it, or the register). Let me tell you that I own the stuff solely, and ALL people are invited to join. That is what this site is about. I thank all people who do join.

I also feel I need to explain once more the way of working in different areas of the site.

The Photo Server: There are many photos in the "unknown" section. anyone can make a comment on these photos, and the data will be moved into the proper fields (description, chassis number, title) for that photo, and the photo moved to the right album. This helps search engine optimisation a lot. After this, the comment is removed otherwise it would be almost impossible to keep track of new comments. I strive to keep the number of comments to 0.

In the event of a dispute or conflicting data, please post the photo in the forum. More people check the forum than anything else, so it is a good way of gathering more data on that photo.

The same is true for the Register: Any conflicting data is to be discussed on the forum. The forum attracts more people (more knowledge) and is designed for discussion. The WIKI (software on which the Register is running) is not designed for discussion. Remarks can be made in the "talk" section of the WIKIpage (check the tabs on top of every page), but I feel this is not ideal.

Another thing that seems to bother people: Naming convention. People and events can be expressed in English, or in the language of origin. From now on I suggest only using the names of origin. (Stanislas instead of Stanley, Musee du chemin de fer instead of Mulhouse Railway Museum, etc.) Native French speakers (or any other language) are able to correct in the event of misspelled names.

I hope this keeps things on the right track.

Herman

That problem is not solved. To insert if one tried its knowledge, one corrected like a stupid school boy.
Some members have no more desire on wiki :shock:


Uwe takes himself perhaps for a professor who knows everything, and believes himself superior.

He is a specialist scanning for all photos found on the books and put on bugattibuilder.: Magnum, Conway, Barrie Price, etc ... without worrying about copyright, so they become public. It's not very discreet, and it is easy to verify.

I prefer the school boy, not the professor


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 Post subject: Re: German Wiki and correct data?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:48 pm 
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I agree with Uwe. I too stopped contributing to Bugattiregister.com.

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 Post subject: Re: German Wiki and correct data?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:57 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: German Wiki and correct data?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:31 pm 
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Uwe wrote:
bugatti69 wrote:
He is a specialist scanning for all photos found on the books and put on bugattibuilder.: Magnum, Conway, Barrie Price, etc ... without worrying about copyright, so they become public. It's not very discreet, and it is easy to verify.

You are specialist for falsify from photos. Is that correct ?


It was you who started this debate. Your accusations
indicate your intention to hurt me.

It's really unpleasant, and I do not add more


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 Post subject: Re: German Wiki and correct data?
PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:49 pm 
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octagonfox wrote:
I agree with Uwe. I too stopped contributing to Bugattiregister.com.


octagonfox, your contribution was useful, especially to correct expressions in English that I do not practice, and I thank you.

But you do not accept changes to the photos you've put unformatted in accordance with the usual presentation of each card, I did a presentation to avoid anarchy. Only for the good presentation of each card. I'm sorry you can not understand that.

I have no complaints against you. But if everyone does their own presentation we would not register as it is currently with 3600 records. Many have understood this to email me photos to put in the usual format on bugattiregister knowing they appreciate this presentation.

I'm sorry that you do not like


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 Post subject: Re: German Wiki and correct data?
PostPosted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:02 am 
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I find it really sad to see the work that Christian for bugattiregister challenged like that. I wish there is more respectful of his work, who is enormous, I know what it represents. Whether one follows the presentation of data for each Bugatti, so that it remains consistent for all of us. If everyone does a different form with its own presentation to his idea that it would very quickly become chaotic and that nobody would find them.

Each can provide additional information if there is disagreement on a model or spelling or anything, there's a feature discussion on bugattiregister or use the forum Bugattibuilder. Christian did not take himself for god on Bugattiregister, you may think that because he is the principal contributor or corrected information that you place where I do not know what else and you are hit, talk in, but in private message.

I think that exchanging information is more than profitable for the bugattiregister and enriched our knowledge, who will be even greater... as the credibility of Bugattiregister.

Vive La Marque

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Je trouve vraiment regrettable de voir le travail que fait Christian pour bugattiregister remis en cause comme cela. J'aimerais que l'on soit plus respectueux de son travail qui est énorme, je sais ce que cela représente. Que l'on respecte la présentation des fiches de chaques Bugatti, pour que cela reste cohérent pour chacun d'entre nous. Si chacun fait une fiche différente avec sa propre présentation où à son idée cela deviendrait très vite anarchique et que plus personne ne s'y retrouverait.

Chacun peut apporter des informations complémentaires, si il y a désacord sur un modèle ou un orthographe ou quoi que ce soit, et bien il y a une fonction discussion sur bugattiregister ou bien sur le forum Bugattibuilder.

Christian ne se prend pas pour dieu sur Bugattiregister, vous pensez peut être cela car il est le principal contributeur ou qu'il a corrigé une information que vous avez placer où je ne sais quoi d'autre et que cela vous a heurté, parlez-en, mais en message privé.

Je pense que l'échange d'information est plus que profitable pour que le bugattiregister s'enrichisse et notre connaissance, elle, n'en sera que plus grande... tout comme la crédibilité de Bugattiregister.

Vive La Marque

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