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 Post subject: Re: Bugatti Atlantic Replicas
PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:43 pm 
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Michael Müller wrote:
I think we must differ geographical names from personal names. Countries and often also cities have different names in different languages. Whether in an English text Milano is called Milan, or Roma Rome, doesn't make a big difference. More difficult it may be in German where Milano is "Mailand", which nearly no Italian will understand. Some Germans surely know that "Köln" in English and French is "Cologne", but the Dutch "Keulen" is an absolute alien for them.

Personal names normally are not translated, they are given to a person and documented in registers and papers. Immigrants sometimes change their names to integrate easier into their new environment, but either this is done officially or commonly accepted and used. Also internationally operating persons sometimes voluntary adapt a more international name. The Italian race driver and journalist Conte Giovanni Lurani Cernuschi is better known as Johnny Lurani, because this was more comfortable than watching Anglosaxons breaking their tongue when trying to pronounce "Giovanni". Finally even his Italian compatriots used the "Johnny", and he was pleased with it.

Ettore Bugatti never changed his name to German or later French, neither officially and also not internally. He was born as Ettore, and died as Ettore.

Is Keulen pronounced as Koln? I suspect it is.


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 Post subject: Re: Bugatti Atlantic Replicas
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:39 am 
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Verbal it is similar, but written not as the "eu" in German is pronounced different than in Dutch.


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 Post subject: Re: Bugatti Atlantic Replicas
PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:57 am 
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I'm sure I have seen Mr Barton addressed as both Jean and John on this forum...


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 Post subject: Re: Bugatti Atlantic Replicas
PostPosted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:10 pm 
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Those who have not seen Atlantics 57374 (ex-Dr Peter Williamson) or 57591 (Ralph Lauren) in person are in no position to criticize Erik Koux's Atlantic replicas. They are are beautifully and accurately done and much admired by people in the Bugatti community. Look very carefully at the red one shown here; you will not find any fault with it, unless you object to the color, which, of course, can be changed. For more about the Koux replicas:
http://www.bugattirevue.com/revue39/erik.htm
For more about the purple/aubergine one shown in the photos (first 57473 re-build): http://www.bugattirevue.com/revue42/57473.htm
BTW: The reason that ONE of the Mercedes SLRs is so valuable is that it's the car that holds one of the most important race records, Sterling Moss' 98-plus mph Mille Miglia win, and because it's owned by Mercedes, who will never sell it.


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 Post subject: Re: Bugatti Atlantic Replicas
PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:20 am 
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Ettore is the correct Italian form of the name. It comes from the name of the character in Greek mythology. In English it is Hector.


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