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 Post subject: Re: Royale Progress
PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2012 11:39 pm 
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What VW owns is money , this is the reasoncan they can afford any toy like Bugatti .
producing their cars in (French) Molsheim . Sounds very french " Molsheim " :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Royale Progress
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 8:08 am 
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As exchange you received the beautiful Saarland.... :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Royale Progress
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 8:37 am 
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So just to clarify - you are making a Bugatti Royale replica, visually identical to an original, but with an eight hundred odd horse power VW Galibier engine in the back?

Only one question springs to mind- and its a question that you asked on a previous thread:
"What kind of drugs do you take?"


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 Post subject: Re: Royale Progress
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 10:18 am 
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Without massive help of VW concerning the EMS Immo CAN bus communication and missing traction control info it will be hard to get the engine even running correctly except if you design a complete new managenemt system around it....

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 Post subject: Re: Royale Progress
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 12:12 pm 
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Probably just a Bugatti T57 Galibier engine?

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 Post subject: Re: Royale Progress
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:50 pm 
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For sure a complete new managenemt system . Customer gets what customer wants !
If the customer wishes he can have a DB 601 engine or a 8 cylinder inline 300 SLR .


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 Post subject: Re: Royale Progress
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:59 pm 
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Udolahr wrote:
For sure a complete new managenemt system . Customer gets what customer wants !
If the customer wishes he can have a DB 601 engine or a 8 cylinder inline 300 SLR .


Would be a nice EMS project for our company but for sure not cheap :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Royale Progress
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 3:46 pm 
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today you can buy an EMS and just put the parameters like you want .For example with the 1980 V12 Jaguars , about 1500€ .


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 Post subject: Re: Royale Progress
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 9:01 pm 
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Udolahr wrote:
today you can buy an EMS and just put the parameters like you want .For example with the 1980 V12 Jaguars , about 1500€ .


Good luck...

Bosch, Delphi, Siemens, Marelli and Hitachi must be full of idiots.
You better don't even try it if a 1980 V12 Jaguar is the most modern engine you ever looked at.
For 1500 Euro you might get an EMS system but for sure none that is able to measure all your CAM signals, command the individual cam phasers control the turbochargers, emission control and so on.
No way to get a Veyron or Galibier engine running correctly that way.


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 Post subject: Re: Royale Progress
PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 9:48 pm 
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you better search the USA market .By the way , what car are you driving for every day ?


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 Post subject: Re: Royale Progress
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:18 am 
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Udolahr wrote:
you better search the USA market .By the way , what car are you driving for every day ?


I'm working since 23 years as EMS development and calibration engineer for an US company.
I know what I'm talking about. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Royale Progress
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:06 am 
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minime wrote:
Udolahr wrote:
you better search the USA market .By the way , what car are you driving for every day ?


I'm working since 23 years as EMS development and calibration engineer for an US company.
I know what I'm talking about. :wink:

As someone comfortable with points condensors and rotor arms.....could EMS be something like engine management system?


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 Post subject: Re: Royale Progress
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:55 am 
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As bad German ideas go, this must rate with starting a world war on two fronts!

Why would you want to make a replica Bugatti Royale, powered by an enormous great VW engine - and then stick it in the back!!!???

I think problems with using an EMS from a thirty year old Jag would be one of the lesser worries!


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 Post subject: Re: Royale Progress
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 9:29 am 
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Lazarus wrote:
minime wrote:
Udolahr wrote:
you better search the USA market .By the way , what car are you driving for every day ?


I'm working since 23 years as EMS development and calibration engineer for an US company.
I know what I'm talking about. :wink:

As someone comfortable with points condensors and rotor arms.....could EMS be something like engine management system?


Totally correct,
EMS is engine management system.
Nowadays systems have become so complex in terms of programming and calibration that it will become very difficult to keep these cars operational once they have reached the age of today's classics or oldtimers. :(
It's quite a difference to stick some Ford model T type ignition coils to a Bugatti T5 engine than trying to get a modern Veyron engine running with an aftermarket all-round engine management system.
Just check the necessary sensors and actuators on that engine and you will see that there is no controller available on the market that could run it.


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 Post subject: Re: Royale Progress
PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:09 pm 
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You did not answer the question , what car are you driving for every day ?


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