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 Post subject: Re: Completed my Build
PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:08 am 
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Udolahr wrote:
I wouldn't call it a Bugatti . Just look at the engine .


It is a straight-eight.

Do you mean it does not have the straight-cut lines? Neither do the Brescia or the 5 litre Garros models!

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 Post subject: Re: Completed my Build
PostPosted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:11 am 
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Udolahr wrote:
So what is the last real Bugatti ? I hope not the bathtub Gerrit posted .


The T101C Exner was the last one that officially rolled out of the factory, The chassis of course, the body was Exner design built by Ghia.

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One of my personal favourites!

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 Post subject: Re: Completed my Build
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Is is not a Colombo engine ? What do you know about the 101 , design made in Baden-Baden?


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 Post subject: Re: Completed my Build
PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:20 am 
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Colombo designed for Ferrari, those are Ferraris. The design for Bugatti is Bugatti. Who pays gets the name.

Design made in Baden-Baden??? Please explain. Exner was an American, Ghia is in Italy, the T101 chassis was done in Molsheim.

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 Post subject: Re: Completed my Build
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Years ago , I was in a company in Baden Baden . The owner presented me a lot of car designs he made for Bugatti . My mistake was , I had no interest in Bugatti , and maybe all is today in the dustbin . I know only about 1 where it is today . He also had an office in Paris and Barcelona . Lets see if you know the name ?


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 Post subject: Re: Completed my Build
PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:31 pm 
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Years ago , I was in a company in Baden Baden . The owner presented me a lot of car designs he made for Bugatti . My mistake was , I had no interest in Bugatti , and maybe all is today in the dustbin . I know only about 1 where it is today . He also had an office in Paris and Barcelona . Lets see if you know the name ?


Lepoix

Where is this one drawing now? still, the Exner T101 was designed in the US.

Pity the rest of those Lepoix designs for Bugatti did not survive. Interesting "What-If"'s.

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Louis Lepoix , he was french . The one drawing is still in Baden Baden . I do not know what happened with all the others , maybe still exist .


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Louis Lepoix , he was french . The one drawing is still in Baden Baden . I do not know what happened with all the others , maybe still exist .


So you worked with him? On car design or something else?

Some of the 50's drawings are shown in the book by Bellu. Would be interesting to see / publish them all. As you may know by now, I have a special interest in the post-war efforts to get Bugatti going again.

Are you still in contact with FTI design?

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 Post subject: Re: Completed my Build
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I had discussions with him , about a new design for the intake and exaust . Rotating valve - water cooled with a integrated water pump .He had a great interest in technical things like windmills , electric cars and so on . He made a electric car with name Goliat , 35 years ago . Today I have no contact with FTI design .

"I have a special interest in the post-war efforts to get Bugatti going again".
you should tell me more about it

What kind of drive train is in the T101C Exner ? Chassis ?


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They were just jazzed up 57's to try and restart post war production.


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Exner 101 looks impressive , but technology from 1933 in a car made after 1950 is a no go . 57 engine and gearbox was not very good in 1933 in 1950 almost scrap . For 1950 , the drivetrain needed to be improved and changed a lot , but I am sure there was no money for it .


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 Post subject: Re: Completed my Build
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to my mind the Exner bodied type 101 is just an embarrassing piece of Detroit dream styling.
I wouldn't agree with you in your opinion that the Type 57 engine was no good even in 1933- in fact I cannot think of a better sub 3.5 engine available in its class at the time apart from a 2900 8c Alfa, which was aimed at a more rarefied market. Beautiful to look at and giving up to 250 bhp in supercharged form. Not many cars doing that in 1950.

As for the drivetrain, it was good enough to win LeMans in 1937.


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 Post subject: Re: Completed my Build
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Take a few 57 engines and gearboxes apart and investigate them . Compare it for example with the Salmson twin cam engine and gearbox .
To win LeMans , how many times , one time ?
I think Ferrari 10 times - Audi 13 and Porsche 15 times .


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 Post subject: Re: Completed my Build
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:46 am 
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For a Bugatti expert there are quite a few gaps in your expertise. We all know how many times Bugatti took part in Le Mans, and how often they did win.

Last time competing was in 1995!

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