who knows more ? Bugatti-invicta Speciale

barttore · **Joined:** Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:38 pm **Posts:** 642

This car is not listed in Bolster's "specials" nor in Bateman's "the enthousiasts guide to vintage Specials" nor in Dussek's "motoring specials"
Still I would like to know more.
Alas there is no book on Invicta (except for one issue of profile publications) to research

Regards, Bart

Lazarus · **Posted:** Sun Oct 11, 2009 4:37 pm

barttore wrote:

This car is not listed in Bolster's "specials" nor in Bateman's "the enthousiasts guide to vintage Specials" nor in Dussek's "motoring specials"
Still I would like to know more.
Alas there is no book on Invicta (except for one issue of profile publications) to research

Regards, Bart

Presumably this is a 6 cylinder Meadows engine in a Bugatti chassis of some sort? With an Invicta radiator and body.Where did this photo come from?

barttore · **Joined:** Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:38 pm **Posts:** 642

I found it on motorbase.com
http://staging.motorbase.com/profiles/p ... nvicta;p=1

and later also on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.fr/FA-BUGATTI-INVICTA-S ... 10001r5986

I too am interested in the Bugatti/Invicta share
It looks like a Bugatti Chassis I agree - and yes the visible rest looks like a Invicta
regards Bart

gerrit · **Joined:** Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:58 pm **Posts:** 2810

specifications;
-top speed 93 mph
-overhead/valve ,6 cylinder
-displacement 4,540cc (4,5 l)
-power rating 110hp
-transmission 4-speed manual
-chassis: 2,756 lbs

barttore · **Joined:** Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:38 pm **Posts:** 642

thanks Gerrit
seems you have the collectors-card in question ?
Is this all the info on it ?

6 cyl 4,5 L is Invicta S-type spec. : seems improbable that the Bugatti gearbox is fitted to it

so then the chassis is probably the major Bugatti-part (typ 38 or 40 ?) in this special.

Still I hope to hear more: does it still exist in this form or maybe it has been split to reconstruct 2 beautyful cars.
I will e-mail Derek Green: he is the keeper of the Invicta club UK register: if i hear more I will post it here.

Regards, Bart

gerrit · **Joined:** Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:58 pm **Posts:** 2810

Bart,
I have not the collectors-card.
Its all my info,sorry.

Extra info,
http://www.speurders.nl/overzicht/autok ... 28246.html

gerrit · **Joined:** Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:58 pm **Posts:** 2810

also,
http://www.marktplaza.nl/BUGATTI-INVICT ... 329480.php

T40 · **Posted:** Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:10 pm

The shape of the dumbirons appears to be too curved for a Bugattis chassis. Bugattis have very shallow curved items.
Rod Amos

barttore · **Joined:** Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:38 pm **Posts:** 642

Derek Green, Invicta Specialist, answered almost within an hour:

He does not know the car, not as a Bugati nor as a Invicta

His reaction after seeing the picture was that it might be a High-chassis Invicta frame with a Bugatti Engine

Seeing the 6 (?) branch exhaust header this can not be since Bugatti is 4 of 8 cilinders only.

So I am still puzzled, but tend to think it is a (part?) Bugatti Chassis + Invicta Body (quite clearly) and most probably Invicta Engine and gearbox

To be continued....

Bart

barttore · **Joined:** Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:38 pm **Posts:** 642

Just found this info on the other Bugatti-site (Jaap's)
so we have a little progress, but not much since the same question was on Jaap's site (november 2007):

Bugatti - Invicta
This special was built in 1953 by Air Commander Scroggs, using a Bugatti chassis (of unknown type), with a army surplus 6 cylinder truck engine, plus an Invicta transmission and radiator. See the specifications

Herman · **Posted:** Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:26 pm

I am curious to learn the frame number of the chassis. But it still is a bit of a mystery to me.

Inserting a relatively heavy truck engine in a relatively light Bugatti chassis...

Lazarus · **Posted:** Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:05 pm

Herman wrote:

I am curious to learn the frame number of the chassis. But it still is a bit of a mystery to me.

Inserting a relatively heavy truck engine in a relatively light Bugatti chassis...

I may be wrong but these special sanction 4[?] engines were used in boats not trucks.

Bugwrench · **Joined:** Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:16 pm **Posts:** 338

There is not even the smallest indication that it concerns a Bugattii chassis. The picture shows it is not even close.
Bugwrench

Herman · **Posted:** Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:13 pm

Perhaps another "invention" of the card-producing company. Or a good story to make a car more glorious...

I do not see a Bugatti chassis, not a Bugatti body, no front axle, no Bugatti engine. Apperently not the gearbox. What is left is the rear axle, which cannot be identified from the pictures, but to name the car a Bugatti because the use of a Bugatti rear axle?
In that case I am driving a Volvo. My car shares more parts with certain types of Volvos then this car with Bugattis...

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