Who can help please
Which engine number has #64001
Museum Mulhouse indicates the engine no.2 for this engine



Wiki indicates engine no.2 for this car.

Nobody knows the engine number

The type 64 from the Schlumpf collection is equipped with the engine #3.

Thanks for the information

It seems that at least three complete T64 chassis with their engines were built, therefore it was a developed enough project at the outbreak of the World War II. Then, why did Ettore Bugatti begin to design the new T78? Did not the T64 work well?

T78 ?

A 4.5 litre supercharged 8 cylinder touring car with 82x106mm engine (4 valve per cylinder and 9 main bearings). I think drawings of chassis and engine produced in 1946-7 are held by Bugatti Trust but Ettore's death resulted in the project's cancellation.

Various drawings etc. in "Bugantics" and Bugatti Trust Newsletters.

Me interests whether the Gullwing and that car in Mulhouse on the same chassis is based. The licence plate 1244-W5 was used together with the chassis number 57454. From this no reference point unfortunately results. Who knows more about it ?. Thanks

This is my theory, based on the wiki references: The "Gullwing" and the definitive coupe body of the complete car which is today at Mulhouse are the same body. The "Gullwing" body was tested on chassis number 57454 (with engine T64 #2) but this design was rejected because of the problem of holding the doors open (gas springs were not available at that time). Therefore, the body was modified and usual doors were fitted on the same body. This body, modified with usual doors, was fitted on chassis number 64001 (engine T64 #3). This complete car was to be introduced at 1939 Paris Motor Show; this is the complete car which can be seen today at Mulhouse.

The chassis number 57454 was used by the factory for several cars; maybe the chassis on which the "Gullwing" prototype body was tested is the same chassis (57454-3) of the T101 prototype fitted with a blue coupe body by Gangloff.

The engine T64 #2 is the T64 engine (not fitted on any chassis) which can be seen today at the Museum of Mulhouse.

All this information comes from here:
http://www.bugattiregister.com/wiki/ind ... is_numbers

Another theory: there were two different prototype bodies; the "Gullwing" and the other one with usual doors. I do not think so; if the first body had been discarded and disassembled from chassis 57454, it would have been fitted on any of the other T64 chassis. It is unlikely that the discarded body would have been demolished: Not many things were scrapped; usually engines and parts were fitted on other cars.

Let us see the stories of the other T64 cars:

Chassis 64002 and 64003 were bought to the factory by De Dobbeleer in 1960, more or less complete; but without their engines. Later, De Dobbeleer sold both chassis:

64002 (now Mullins's car) was sold in chassis form, having several owners: Gene Cesari (USA) (who fitted a T50B engine on the chassis), Hampton (UK), Eri Richardson, Uwe Hucke (D), C.A.R. Howard, Oscar Davis (USA), Albert Voorhuis, Charles Bronson (USA). The engine T64 #1 was fitted on the T59/50B chassis 441352 - engine 50B3 (3l.); Ray Jones restored this car and sold the engine T64 #1 to Eri Richardson, who fitted that engine on chassis 64002. Until now, this car has been a rolling chassis, without any body. Now, its owner, Peter Mullin, plans to fit a new body on this chassis. This body would be more or less based on original sketches by Jean Bugatti for a coupe (similar to the Atlantic). The new body will have "gullwing" doors and has been designed by Stuart Reed Design after a design contest at Pasadena's Art Center (see: http://www.autoblog.com/2010/04/29/neve ... n-chassis/ )

64003 was sold as a complete car, with a T57 engine. De Dobbeleer built a body based on a original factory design (design #1075). The car was sold to A. Croxton Adams (USA).

64004 is the frame shown at the Museum of Mulhouse, which also owns the engine T64 #2.

If an extra body (the “Gullwing” prototype) would have been available, it would have been modified to be useable and fitted on chassis 64002 or 64003; or kept by the factory like the chassis 64004 and the engine #2.

According to Copperkettle, there is still another (complete?) T64, with chassis number 64005, owned by Robert Jarraud. If it has a T64 engine, that engine would be #4. Could the “Gullwing” prototype body be fitted on this car? As we have not seen this car, we can only make suppositions and conjectures.

My opinion is that the “Gullwing” body is the same body fitted on 64001, but now with usual doors.

Thanks for the answer. That is into approximately also my consideration.
But from where one knows the chassis number 64004 for the frame in Mulhouse?. It's nevertheless only a frame.
Or the frame and the engine with number 2 belong together?. This was the Gullwing?.
You have by the way quite that the T64 engine in the #441352 were installed. Here that photo.

According to Bart Loyens the Cork Bugatti chassis was numbered 032, see picture.

Do you mean frame number 032 ?

Yes, I do indeed mean the frame number. If you are interested here is another picture of the car.

Thanks for that photo, here are 36 shots
http://picasaweb.google.fr/BugJones/Bug ... tPictures#
But we deviated now from the topic

We should continue with the Topic here:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1475
GCL-Wales reports of an original frame with number 8.
Now it becomes interesting ...