The Bugatti type 52 (or should we say type "Baby")

jacobug · **Joined:** Tue Nov 25, 2008 8:54 pm **Posts:** 131

This fine looking car is NOT an EMW but a Gordini type 32.Rgrds jacobug

Lazarus · **Posted:** Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:47 pm

jacobug wrote:

This fine looking car is NOT an EMW but a Gordini type 32.Rgrds jacobug

thank you very much.I did wonder about Gordini.Interesting about the iron curtain lorry.Was this gordini in east germany? or was the EMW concerned with racing in europe?

xlr8by · **Joined:** Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:47 am **Posts:** 45

Lazarus wrote:

by the time i ended up with the remains of the parts bought by the BOC from molsheim there was nothing of any real interest.Sadly the interesting bits for T251/252/253 were sold off as souveneers ! for peanuts, Mr.Q and a well known gent from Suisse bought each a cylinder head casting for T251 [unmachined ] 15 years later Mr.Q. wanted £5000 for his,and the other gent wanted an original GP frame

.I happen to know that they paid less than £50 each.There are still hundreds of small parts,little springs,ends of rods for brakes,rubber bits,80 supercharger gaskets for the very late cars,T57 gears,gearchange rods,hundreds of the link pieces that join the springs in brake [ sorry break ] drums.The best bit is the boxes which they came in,grey wooden boxes.Every Bugatti owner in the UK has one or two.Ivan Dutton even put one on E bay recently.There must have been thousands of them in the Bugatti stores.I wish I could have seen it,and nobody seems to have photographed the stores.The chassis plates [dogtags] from the Babys just about sum up the value of the parts that remain,however if anyone wants to have a genuine baby chassis plate.....I take any sort of money !

Very cool! Thanks for sharing. I'll buy a genuine baby chassis plate for Monopoly money, how much do you want?

Erik

Herman · **Posted:** Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:53 pm

Johan wrote:

Anyway, let's get serious for a moment : How did the "baby" end up being commonly refered to as T52?

Lazarus wrote:

possibly because the factory refered to it that? lol [stir stir ]

Do we have factory documentation to back that up?

Lazarus · **Posted:** Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:36 pm

xlr8by wrote:

Lazarus wrote:

by the time i ended up with the remains of the parts bought by the BOC from molsheim there was nothing of any real interest.Sadly the interesting bits for T251/252/253 were sold off as souveneers ! for peanuts, Mr.Q and a well known gent from Suisse bought each a cylinder head casting for T251 [unmachined ] 15 years later Mr.Q. wanted £5000 for his,and the other gent wanted an original GP frame

.I happen to know that they paid less than £50 each.There are still hundreds of small parts,little springs,ends of rods for brakes,rubber bits,80 supercharger gaskets for the very late cars,T57 gears,gearchange rods,hundreds of the link pieces that join the springs in brake [ sorry break ] drums.The best bit is the boxes which they came in,grey wooden boxes.Every Bugatti owner in the UK has one or two.Ivan Dutton even put one on E bay recently.There must have been thousands of them in the Bugatti stores.I wish I could have seen it,and nobody seems to have photographed the stores.The chassis plates [dogtags] from the Babys just about sum up the value of the parts that remain,however if anyone wants to have a genuine baby chassis plate.....I take any sort of money !

Very cool! Thanks for sharing. I'll buy a genuine baby chassis plate for Monopoly money, how much do you want?

Erik

i think 10 euros will cover it.

GCL-Wales · **Joined:** Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:17 pm **Posts:** 348

At least some "Baby" Bugattis had their chassis no. stamped on the aluminium bulkhead - I have a photo on file of car 294 A stamped in this way.

With regard to cars which have lost their original bodies not being "real Bugattis," what does that make the car I've just bought (4289) ? Is it an "unreal" Bugatti
or should I call it the "Rosemary Burke Special".

Has Lazarus broken the news to his daughter that the pretty little blue "type 40" in the drive is not a real Bugatti ?

A little task for Johan one quiet afternoon in the library. How many "real" Bugattis are there left ? (i.e. cars which retain ALL their original major mechanical components and their ORIGINAL bodies).
Acording to my date base (which I have now agreed to discontinue as a result of threatened legal action) the figure is in the region of 230-250.

Perhaps "bugattibuilder" should publish this list of "real" Bugattis. No one could sue for saying a particular car is a "real" Bugatti (could they ?) provided the name of the owner isn't mentioned.

Lazarus · **Posted:** Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:31 pm

[quote="GCL-Wales"]At least some "Baby" Bugattis had their chassis no. stamped on the aluminium bulkhead - I have a photo on file of car 294 A stamped in this way.

With regard to cars which have lost their original bodies not being "real Bugattis," what does that make the car I've just bought (4289) ? Is it an "unreal" Bugatti
or should I call it the "Rosemary Burke Special".

Has Lazarus broken the news to his daughter that the pretty little blue "type 40" in the drive is not a real Bugatti ?

The grapevine is obviously broken as "the pretty little blue Type 40 "! is not in our driveway :lol:

It is north of Dover and east of London.There is however a nice Type 37 sitting in the garage for Louise when she wants it.Anything that one can trip over just has to be real

Johan Buchner · **Posted:** Fri Mar 06, 2009 9:38 pm

Dear CGL-Wales

To add to the confusion there are a few totally intact, numbers-matching Bugattis that are so over-restored they cannot really be considered original anymore.

As to your legal problems, the following thought : Screw them. I say let's publish and be damned. If you use a Bugatti in public there can be no expectation of privacy. Send me your database, I'll publish it in full, including the owners. Like I said, screw them. I am fed up to the back teeth with these rich bullies who think they can deny us the right to freedom of speech.

Time to fight fire with fire. The war starts now.

Johan Buchner

PS. As to what constitutes a real Bugatti, I'll withold opinion untill I actually own one.

J.J.Horst · **Posted:** Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:23 pm

GCL-Wales wrote:

Perhaps "bugattibuilder" should publish this list of "real" Bugattis. No one could sue for saying a particular car is a "real" Bugatti (could they ?) provided the name of the owner isn't mentioned.

Then probably all those who are not in the list of real Bugattis will sue Herman!

xlr8by · **Joined:** Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:47 am **Posts:** 45

Here are the pics.... Due to the lighting I was unable to get a pic/find the chassis number. The new tires/Tyres

have not been fitted yet, and can be seen in the side of the pics. Also, next to the Bugatti is a very rare Ferrari TR child's car. Anyone have any more information on that? This baby was originally sold to DuPont after seeing the car at the Paris autoshow. Can someone please update the wiki with these pictures, I will get the chassis number when I have a flashlight/chance to move the car.
Erik

xlr8by · **Joined:** Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:47 am **Posts:** 45

More pics

Herman · **Posted:** Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:12 am

Looks great. Can you also make a picture of the steering box? As you might know I have a replica Baby in parts, with a missing steering box. Also a picture of the tag above the forward/reverse handle could come in handy.

The TR might be a PS. They had them on their site.

I also saw a site with a 1:2 Alfa P3.

xlr8by · **Joined:** Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:47 am **Posts:** 45

Herman wrote:

Looks great. Can you also make a picture of the steering box? As you might know I have a replica Baby in parts, with a missing steering box. Also a picture of the tag above the forward/reverse handle could come in handy.

The TR might be a PS. They had them on their site.

I also saw a site with a 1:2 Alfa P3.

Herman,
I will see this car again next saturday, and will take more pictures then. I will see if I can find the chassis number as well!
Erik

Johan Buchner · **Posted:** Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:56 pm

GCL-Wales wrote : "With regard to cars which have lost their original bodies not being "real Bugattis," what does that make the car I've just bought (4289) ? Is it an "unreal" Bugatti
or should I call it the "Rosemary Burke Special".

Is this it? Beautiful car, a Type 30, said to have a body by Lavocat et Marsaud. And non original SU carburettors. I would like to hear the owner's opinion of this car's originality. And a few more questions if you don't mind : Is this your first Bugatti? What's it like owning a Bugatti? What's it like driving your own Bugatti? Did you buy it in this condition, or did she require some work? Do you sometimes go into the garage and just look at it? And the last one, has ownership changed your opinion of Ettore Bugatti, and if so, how? Okay, another really, really last one : Were you looking for a T30, or specifically looking for this car?

Thanks
Johan

Lazarus · **Posted:** Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:17 pm

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Is this it? Beautiful car, a Type 30, said to have a body by Lavocat et Marsaud. And non original SU carburettors. I would like to hear the owner's opinion of this car's originality. And a few more questions if you don't mind : Is this your first Bugatti? What's it like owning a Bugatti? What's it like driving your own Bugatti? Did you buy it in this condition, or did she require some work? Do you sometimes go into the garage and just look at it? And the last one, has ownership changed your opinion of Ettore Bugatti, and if so, how? Okay, another really, really last one : Were you looking for a T30, or specifically looking for this car?

Thanks
Johan[/quote]
no it is not his first Bugatti and if past form is a guide he will now go into the garage and take it all apart !

The Bugatti type 52 (or should we say type "Baby")

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